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Graigfawr

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Posted: 11/06/2014 13:17:06
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Proposal to revive Cumbrian coal mining:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-27773853
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Lecko

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Posted: 11/06/2014 13:53:59
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Finding skilled certificated people could be a problem, 30 years puts the youngest class 1 and 2 fitters and electricians in their 50's now, then there's Managers, Undermanagers, and Deputy's, where are they going to find those?? IP: 72.160.168.168
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Posted: 11/06/2014 15:43:25
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Lecko wrote:

Finding skilled certificated people could be a problem, 30 years puts the youngest class 1 and 2 fitters and electricians in their 50's now, then there's Managers, Undermanagers, and Deputy's, where are they going to find those??

They won't need to, if the HSEs proposed changes to the M&Q regs are passed!

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IP: 95.145.86.125 Edited: 11/06/2014 15:45:06 by Mr.C
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Proposal to revive Cumbrian coal mining
Posted: 11/06/2014 16:51:33
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HSE changes or not,they will still need Deputies in that Gassy hole.
If they will have transformers there,they will soon find sparkies,lol.
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Posted: 11/06/2014 18:49:40
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I worked with a fitter who used to work at one of the Cumbrian pits, he related how gassy they were, so whoever they employ, they'd better have plenty of experience...If my memory is right, they had a rather nasty ignition one weekend during the mid 1970's that killed a few men.

And Jim, I don't think you've seen modern FLP tranformers, you'd need to be a Fakir to lie on them buggers. You could also cook your dinner on them too.........LOL
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Posted: 11/06/2014 19:14:02
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Lecko,i`ve seen some Fakiring sparkies in my time.lol IP: 217.39.56.14
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Posted: 11/06/2014 19:23:43
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Bumble bee in a matchbox anyone? Big Grin

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IP: 95.145.86.125 Edited: 11/06/2014 19:25:19 by Mr.C
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Posted: 11/06/2014 20:38:17
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Mr.C wrote:

Bumble bee in a matchbox anyone? Big Grin


Best watch out there Mr.C in-case the White Elephant step`s on it.
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John Lawson

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Posted: 11/06/2014 20:47:56
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I assume that this is a "new look" at a story which has at least two different variants, depending on which side of the Solway Firth you are looking at it.
As I am lead to believe, in the last years of the NCB, it was proved, presumably, by drilling that the Cannobie coalfield of Dumfriesshire extended under the Solway to West Cumberland. The fact which has come to light recently is that this coal woulld be good for coking and hence the interest.
Inittialllly,on my side of the Solway, drilling was going to take place in the grounds of a defunct school, until the NImbyists objected. Eventually this was their objections were taken to the High court, who found for the drilling company.
I am certain if this has restarted, but in my opinion, both these projects are highly uncertain, given the high set up costs that would be necessary.
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Posted: 12/06/2014 06:58:10
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John Lawson wrote:

given the high set up costs that would be necessary.


Cannonbie not so much, the reserves are proven by NCB drilling years ago and it is apparently workable by drift from the Longtown end.

Workington is a different kettle of fish, plenty of coal but has always been nasty to extract particularly in terms of life in the past.

As to qualified men, its not that long since the last deep mines closed (Blenkinsopp and Ellington weren't that long ago) in the North
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Posted: 12/06/2014 21:56:16
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The coal's there alright and there are enough holes bored in the inland area of the licence already. This proposal is too ridiculous to take seriously and is just an enlarged re-hash of the grand scheme undertaken by Geevor in the same area 25 years ago - they lasted 2 years before realising that the locals were not exaggerating the frequency of faulting or the gas. Both they and this new crew thought/think they could/can work it at 10 times the best productivity levels ever achieved in any of the Cumberland pits. We saw too many "offcomers" land here in NCB days with ideas of idle colliers needing a kick up the backside to get results, the more gracious ones sooner or later admitting to wondering how they got what they did in the conditions.

(Lecko, I think you may have had Golborne in mind for the '70s explosion - same NCB area but it was in Lancashire).
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Posted: 12/06/2014 23:14:08
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Thats on top of what New Age Exploration are working on at Lochinavar. The biggest risk to that project will be the Scottish referendum, as half of it is in England and half in Scotland IP: 86.163.89.18
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Posted: 13/06/2014 20:37:42
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Knocker wrote:

Thats on top of what New Age Exploration are working on at Lochinavar. The biggest risk to that project will be the Scottish referendum, as half of it is in England and half in Scotland


The referendum will have come and gone by the end of the year.
Even Salmond doesn't believe that the Scots will vote for independence.

Perhaps there will be some progress after that
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Posted: 13/06/2014 21:09:53
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Good luck to the Scot`s,i hope they do go for it and get out from under the feet of Westminster. IP: 31.50.159.149
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Posted: 13/06/2014 22:13:26
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Knocker wrote:

Thats on top of what New Age Exploration are working on at Lochinavar. The biggest risk to that project will be the Scottish referendum, as half of it is in England and half in Scotland


There's only a small part of it in England, 20% or so, could still go ahead as the entries would be in D & G - perhaps the "English problem" could be solved by annexation, it would only be a return to where Cumbria used to be.Wink
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Posted: 14/06/2014 01:07:39
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It doesn't really matter what percentage of it is in england or Scotland, the problem is some of it is in each. Taking 20% of a deposit out of a project is likely to play hell with the project economics. To make matters worst, Enhgland practicall cuts the deposit in two! IP: 86.163.89.18
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Posted: 14/06/2014 06:52:10
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No doubt regardless of who votes for what you would still need to get a license from The Coal Authority before you could look for and remove the coal.

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Posted: 14/06/2014 07:30:35
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They have the licences already, theie exploration programme is nearly complete with a DFS due later this year. IP: 86.163.89.18
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Posted: 11/07/2015 10:16:30
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Seems that "Phase 2" boring is now underway with a hole west of Rottington - and three offshore holes to follow. We had two there from the 50s (not too good a core recovery as I recall) and the 70s so this seems to be infill. IP: 86.184.178.167
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Posted: 07/08/2015 14:08:58
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That's one to watch!
Getting young un-trained labour into those notoriously gassy seams!
Not going to find many "face trained" men young enough to take that on now.

Probably just a developement proposal that will spend money but stop well short of production.
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