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Posted: 27/04/2014 10:16:57
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Just had a quick look through a book from 1917 on slate mining in Westphalia which I bought recently and came across the retired colonel Mr Money from England who operated at least 3 slate mines in the Sauerland area roughly between 1850 and 1900. It says that he produced roofing slates to English patterns and employed English workers at his mines.

Has anybody come across Mr Money in the UK before?
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Posted: 27/04/2014 13:01:11
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Probably Colonel Charles G.C.Money, born Cawnpore, India c.1853, son of Gilbert P.Money of the Bengal Civil Service. In 1861 the family was living in Bramley, Surrey; in 1871 Charles was an 18 year old student at the Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst. In January 1893 he was a Major with a seniority date of 1 April 1889 in the 1st Northumberland Fusilers and serving as adjutant to the 1st Tower Hamlets Rifle Volunteer Brigade. In the Boer War he was Lieutentant Colonel of the 1st Northumberland Fusilers. He died early in 1928 at Cheltenham, Gloucestershire. He is largely absent from Censuses, presumably due to service overseas. His service could be traced via the 'Army List' which I do not have access to online save for the January 1893 edition (details given above) or by notices of promotion and movements between units in 'The London Gazette' (I have logging on problems at present to this publication's free website).

Hope this lead is useful.
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Posted: 28/04/2014 20:42:18
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Thanks for the information. I have already found a lot of information in The London Gazette on other mines in the area.

Colonel Charles G.C.Money would have been too young as he just about started his career at the time in question. The Colonel Money I'm looking for would have been retired before 1857.
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Posted: 28/04/2014 20:59:04
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Sorry - I only saw the 1917 date. IP: 87.242.201.32
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Posted: 28/04/2014 21:07:42
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It might have been his father?

There're certainly too many articles for one evening in the London Gazette.
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Posted: 28/04/2014 22:21:16
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Money is an uncommon surname, and very few men of this name have been Colonels in the British Army.

It is worth observing that the commanders of regiments or battallions are usually styled Colonels but more usually hold the rank of Lieutenant Colonels. It is also worth observing that retired officers generally advance one rank on an honorary basis, with Lieutenant Colonels becoming full Colonels.

Here is a better candidate:

Colonel John Ernle Money-Kyrle (born John Ernle Money) son of Reverend William Money, born 1 March 1812 at Clifton, Somerset, baptisied Calne, Wiltshire; educated Winchester School, joined 32nd Regiment 1832, Ensign in 1833, 1836-38 served in Canada; Captain in 1843; 1843 changed name by Royal Licence to John Ernle Money-Kyrle; 1851 Census age 39, resident in Tupsley, Herefordshire and described as "Captain in the Army H.P. [= half pay, i.e. not currently serving but not formally retired]"; four children born in 1850s (1852, 1853, 1855, 1857) all born in UK; 1861 Census age 49, resident in Much Marcle, Herefordshire, described as "Captain Army half pay", possibly significant: the household included Bertha Reuschen, age 30, governess, born in Stendel, Prussia; 1871 Census age 59, resident in Much Marcle, Herefordshire, described as "Lt. Col. [= Lieutentant Colonel] in the Army (formally), Magistrate and Deputy Lieutentant in the County of Hereford"; 1881 Census age 69, resident in Much Marcle, Herefordshire, described as "Retired Lieutentant Colonel in the Army, Magistrate for County of Hereford"; 1891 Census age 79, resident in Much Marcle, Herefordshire, described as "Lieutentant Colonel in the Army, J.P. [= Justice of the Peace, i.e. a magistrate], D.L. [= Deputy Lieutenant for the county]"; died 29 October 1894 at his home at Homme House, Much Marcle, Herefordshire. There is a considerable archive collection pertaining to the family in Wiltshire & Swindon Archives, reference no.1720.

I have found an OCR'd [optical character recognition] version of the 1917 book online: T.Plumpe "Die westfälische Schieferindustrie", Leipzig, 1917. I see that it describes "a retired lieutenant colonel [illegible couple of letters] Money" which seems to fit with the rank and status of John Ernle Money-Kyrle.
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Posted: 01/05/2014 07:48:48
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Thanks for the research.
Hopefully there is some more information on his mining activities somewhere in the archives.
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