Mine exploration, photographs and mining history for mine explorers, industrial archaeologists, researchers and historians Mine explorer and mining history videos on YouTube Connect with other mine explorers on Facebook
Tip: do not include 'mine' or 'quarry', search by name e.g. 'cwmorthin', use 'Sounds like search' if unsure of spelling

Advanced Search
'Sounds like search'
Quick a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z
Tip: narrow down your search by typing more than one word and selecting 'Search for all words' or 'Exact search'

Search for any word
Search for all words
Exact search
Tip: narrow down your search by typing more than one word and selecting 'Search for all words' or 'Exact search'

Search for any word
Search for all words
Exact search

Mine Exploration Forum

Jump to page << < 1 2 > >>
Author Mining term: Umber.
Wilder

Joined: 20/11/2013

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Mining term: Umber.
Posted: 20/11/2013 12:20:05
Reply |  Quote
Has anyone come across the occurrence of umber - anywhere?? IP: 82.35.199.22
RJV

Avatar of RJV

Joined: 16/03/2008
Location: Cleveland

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Mining term: Umber.
Posted: 20/11/2013 12:47:23
Reply |  Quote
I've been either to an umber mine somewhere but I can't for the life of me remember exactly where. Surface only. In the hills?

Somewhere in the Lakes probably. Possibly one of the mines between Skiddaw/Blencathra without checking...

Have no recollection of seeing any actual umber, not that I'm certain I'd recognise it anyway.
IP: 82.145.222.39
exspelio

Joined: 02/05/2012
Location: peak district

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Mining term: Umber.
Posted: 20/11/2013 12:52:45
Reply |  Quote
Someones got to say it;

"I've been over t'bridge to Ull" Guns Crying

(I'll get me coat)

--

Always remember, nature is in charge, get it wrong and it is you who suffers!.
IP: 86.142.152.89
Peter Burgess

Joined: 01/07/2008
Location: Merstham. Or is it Godstone ...... ?

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Mining term: Umber.
Posted: 20/11/2013 13:07:32
Reply |  Quote
I thought it was simply what they called Amber in the north.

--

The most useful idiot you can ever hope to meet...
IP: 92.10.148.248
Peter Burgess

Joined: 01/07/2008
Location: Merstham. Or is it Godstone ...... ?

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Mining term: Umber.
Posted: 20/11/2013 13:17:57
Reply |  Quote
The only place I can see on internet where it is extracted is Georgia, US.

--

The most useful idiot you can ever hope to meet...
IP: 92.10.148.248
RJV

Avatar of RJV

Joined: 16/03/2008
Location: Cleveland

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Mining term: Umber.
Posted: 20/11/2013 13:22:24
Reply |  Quote
Peter Burgess wrote:

I thought it was simply what they called Amber in the north.


No, that's what Cockneys would call the bridge, not northerners... Off Topic

This will be the place I think, in Roughton Gill:
http://www.geog.port.ac.uk/webmap/thelakes/html/lgaz/lk04972.htm
Don't remember anything particular about it, certainly nothing that inspired me to get my camera out!
IP: 82.19.131.200
christwigg

Avatar of christwigg

Joined: 20/02/2008
Location: Cleveland / North Yorkshire

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Mining term: Umber.
Posted: 20/11/2013 13:45:09
Reply |  Quote
Heres a snippet from Ian Tylers book about the Calbecks.

IP: 81.103.213.148
exspelio

Joined: 02/05/2012
Location: peak district

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Mining term: Umber.
Posted: 20/11/2013 13:57:09
Reply |  Quote
From what I can make out it usually occurs as a dark brown, crumbly clay, errr--- Confused

--

Always remember, nature is in charge, get it wrong and it is you who suffers!.
IP: 86.142.152.89
ad289

Avatar of ad289

Joined: 12/10/2012

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Mining term: Umber.
Posted: 20/11/2013 16:02:08
Reply |  Quote
Umber is also a loose geological term for iron, manganese and trace-metal enriched mudstones of volcanic exhalative origin.

e.g in Cyprus.

"Large volumes of dilute metalliferous brines were released into open marine waters whereupon umbers were rapidly precipitated. "

I think some umber was mined for gold? (or maybe i'm mistaking this for the Au gossans)

--

MSc Mining Geology - CSM
IP: 31.54.89.207 Edited: 20/11/2013 16:03:34 by ad289
AR

Avatar of AR

Joined: 07/11/2007
Location: Knot far from Knotlow in the middle of the Peak District

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Mining term: Umber.
Posted: 20/11/2013 20:02:05
Reply |  Quote
I'd always understood that umber was a catch-all term for a brown iron oxide, so if it's an iron/manganese oxide it'd be on a sliding scale between ochre and black wad, probably determined by colour!

--

Oh God of Sarcasm, thanks for everything...
IP: 81.135.83.48
exspelio

Joined: 02/05/2012
Location: peak district

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Mining term: Umber.
Posted: 20/11/2013 23:18:31
Reply |  Quote
So, how would you identify it ??

--

Always remember, nature is in charge, get it wrong and it is you who suffers!.
IP: 86.142.152.89
Mr.C

Avatar of Mr.C

Joined: 23/03/2008
Location: North Staffordshire

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Mining term: Umber.
Posted: 20/11/2013 23:24:58
Reply |  Quote
Think it's this stuff IIRC.
I just happened to have it on my bedside cupboard - as yer do!
Folk of a certain age will remember the word from their childhood paint boxes as well as "burnt umber".
This is a lump (broken in two) from N Staffs


It's rather chalky or "dry clay" in texture.

--

If things dunner change - the'll stop as the' are.
IP: 2.30.231.119 Edited: 20/11/2013 23:38:08 by Mr.C
Peter Burgess

Joined: 01/07/2008
Location: Merstham. Or is it Godstone ...... ?

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Mining term: Umber.
Posted: 20/11/2013 23:38:41
Reply |  Quote
50 shades of brown.

--

The most useful idiot you can ever hope to meet...
IP: 92.10.157.231
Mr.C

Avatar of Mr.C

Joined: 23/03/2008
Location: North Staffordshire

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Mining term: Umber.
Posted: 20/11/2013 23:43:42
Reply |  Quote
Peter Burgess wrote:

50 shades of brown.

Yes, although once it ground up of course......
BTW, I always wondered what my granddad meant by jokes "with a gamboge tint" until I found out it was a shade of brown - but one of the lighter ones Smile

--

If things dunner change - the'll stop as the' are.
IP: 2.30.231.119 Edited: 21/11/2013 00:03:03 by Mr.C
AR

Avatar of AR

Joined: 07/11/2007
Location: Knot far from Knotlow in the middle of the Peak District

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Mining term: Umber.
Posted: 21/11/2013 08:42:37
Reply |  Quote
Mr.C wrote:

Think it's this stuff IIRC.
I just happened to have it on my bedside cupboard - as yer do!
Folk of a certain age will remember the word from their childhood paint boxes as well as "burnt umber".
This is a lump (broken in two) from N Staffs

It's rather chalky or "dry clay" in texture.


I think that comes under the catch-all geological term of Limonite, or in laymans terms, rusty crud. Laugh

--

Oh God of Sarcasm, thanks for everything...
IP: 194.159.145.70
remoteneeded

Avatar of remoteneeded

Joined: 12/11/2007
Location: MK

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Mining term: Umber.
Posted: 21/11/2013 10:33:02
Reply |  Quote
Plenty of good information here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umber

Burnt Umber is still sold as a brown shade of artist's paint:
http://www.winsornewton.com/products/water-colours/cotman-water-colour/colour-chart/burnt-umber/
IP: 88.97.52.152
Roger the Cat

Avatar of Roger the Cat

Joined: 12/11/2007
Location: Gloucestershire

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Mining term: Umber.
Posted: 21/11/2013 11:11:36
Reply |  Quote
Actually, you have touched on a thought I had about exactly where pigments were obtained and/or mined. Before industrial chemistry provided an increased palette in the latter 19c all pigments were 'natural' and some like lapis lazuli were very rare and expensive. Even today a W&N tube of Cobalt Blue will set you back a few quid. Any thoughts about mines and locations in the UK? Even artificial colours would be derived from mineral feedstock at some point. IP: 212.139.252.87
RJV

Avatar of RJV

Joined: 16/03/2008
Location: Cleveland

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Mining term: Umber.
Posted: 21/11/2013 11:18:15
Reply |  Quote
Ochre was mined in the Mendips. Doubtless other places too. Would guess its very similar chemically to umber.

Seem to remember that a book about it was published very recently.
IP: 82.145.221.144
remoteneeded

Avatar of remoteneeded

Joined: 12/11/2007
Location: MK

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Mining term: Umber.
Posted: 21/11/2013 11:31:48
Reply |  Quote
Indeed:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Earth-Colours-Mendip-Bristol-Mining/dp/B00BKZ8D6M

(Sorry Mike, I couldn't find it on your site)

EDIT: More informative link:
http://www.mcra.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=for_sale
IP: 88.97.52.152 Edited: 21/11/2013 11:36:26 by remoteneeded
RJV

Avatar of RJV

Joined: 16/03/2008
Location: Cleveland

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Mining term: Umber.
Posted: 21/11/2013 11:45:48
Reply |  Quote
Here's quite an interesting document on the subject.
http://intim8ecology.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/earth-pigments-in-north-devon-a-teachers-guide-2.pdf
IP: 82.19.131.200
Jump to page << < 1 2 > >>
Safety LED Miners Caplamps Moore Books: Specialist Books I.A. Recordings: Mining and Industrial History DVDs Starless River - Caving Store Explore a Disused Welsh Slate Mine
Disclaimer: Mine exploring can be quite dangerous, but then again it can be alright, it all depends on the weather. Please read the proper disclaimer.
© 2005 to 2015 AditNow.co.uk
Top of Page