Mine exploration, photographs and mining history for mine explorers, industrial archaeologists, researchers and historians Mine explorer and mining history videos on YouTube Connect with other mine explorers on Facebook
Tip: do not include 'mine' or 'quarry', search by name e.g. 'cwmorthin', use 'Sounds like search' if unsure of spelling

Advanced Search
'Sounds like search'
Quick a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z
Tip: narrow down your search by typing more than one word and selecting 'Search for all words' or 'Exact search'

Search for any word
Search for all words
Exact search
Tip: narrow down your search by typing more than one word and selecting 'Search for all words' or 'Exact search'

Search for any word
Search for all words
Exact search

Mine Exploration Forum

Author coal board
J25GTi

Joined: 09/06/2012

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
coal board
Posted: 25/04/2013 16:26:41
Reply |  Quote
Does anyone have a copy of the coal board wiring regulations at alll? I might have some work coming in for some wiring underground and want to check the regs.

I am a fully qualified electrician but normal regulations don't cover mines haha!
IP: 93.186.23.84
Tamarmole

Joined: 20/05/2009
Location: Tamar Valley

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
coal board
Posted: 25/04/2013 19:39:54
Reply |  Quote
What you are after is "The electricity at work regs 1989 - The use of electricity in mines."

There is also an ACOP issued in 2001.

You should be able to get these via the HMSO website.
IP: 31.51.156.158
staffordshirechina

Avatar of staffordshirechina

Joined: 15/11/2009
Location: North Staffordshire

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
coal board
Posted: 25/04/2013 21:10:53
Reply |  Quote
If you are doing electrical things in a coal mine you will need considerably more than ordinary electrical qualifications.
Different rules apply completely.
If you are doing things in a non-coal mine it is less of a problem but there are specific rules for certain aspects, things like much larger earth conductors etc.
IP: 86.183.136.225
sinker

Avatar of sinker

Joined: 13/12/2010
Location: North Wales.

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
coal board
Posted: 25/04/2013 22:11:03
Reply |  Quote
It will NOT be straightforward!
You could try asking Pingu very nicely, as he has just finished phase 1 of some wiring/cabling upgrades in a North Wales mine, albeit not coal. I'll let him explain what it was and where and for whom etc..... Wink
You could PM him but I know that he and Will are currently paddling an inflatable up a flooded level 4 floors down in Bwlch Y Plwm....they are expected out tonight at some point though Laugh Laugh Laugh

--

Agent of evolution..... IP: 86.183.94.231
Ty Gwyn

Joined: 30/10/2009
Location: Lampeter

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
coal board
Posted: 26/04/2013 01:17:59
Reply |  Quote
Surely your having us on?
Would`nt think any colliery owner would be foolish enough to have a non qualified underground electrician install anything,

Vince Fowler would eat them up and spit them out.
IP: 81.154.51.7
J25GTi

Joined: 09/06/2012

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
coal board
Posted: 26/04/2013 10:00:02
Reply |  Quote
I just ask for the coal board book as I know they did a pretty comprehensive book to read on it. I never said I was wiring a coal mine.

And as for all the people who say it is difficult etc. Then that is tosh.

An electrical system is one and the same wether it is underground, above ground or under water.

I am not just an average electrician who wires houses. I think a mine is well within my capabilities...
IP: 93.186.23.81
sinker

Avatar of sinker

Joined: 13/12/2010
Location: North Wales.

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
coal board
Posted: 26/04/2013 10:26:20
Reply |  Quote
You know best..... Smartass

--

Agent of evolution..... IP: 82.132.221.233
J25GTi

Joined: 09/06/2012

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
coal board
Posted: 26/04/2013 10:57:24
Reply |  Quote
Tamarmole wrote:

What you are after is "The electricity at work regs 1989 - The use of electricity in mines."

There is also an ACOP issued in 2001.

You should be able to get these via the HMSO website.


Ideal Rick, thank you for that! Should have just emailed you to begin with lol.

Regards

Jamie
IP: 93.186.31.86
staffordshirechina

Avatar of staffordshirechina

Joined: 15/11/2009
Location: North Staffordshire

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
coal board
Posted: 26/04/2013 11:36:11
Reply |  Quote
Mine wiring may well be within your capabilities but to comply with mining law you must also have the necessary mining electrical certification.
You would also need mining training to allow you to work underground as well as electrical training.

As Ty Gwyn says, any mine manager who allowed an unqualified electrician to work underground would be on a very sticky wicket.......
IP: 86.183.136.225
miner1985

Joined: 17/11/2007
Location: South Wales

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
coal board
Posted: 26/04/2013 16:19:33
Reply |  Quote
Sticky wicket the HMI would come down like a ton of bricks and would fine the manager/owner. IP: 86.155.127.170
J25GTi

Joined: 09/06/2012

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
coal board
Posted: 26/04/2013 21:24:44
Reply |  Quote
Guys, its all very well saying all this. But there are far too many assumptions been made.

I don't need advice on what qualifications I may or may not need along with the legalities of it all it is irrelvant.

I just wanted to know where I could get the bs guide, or the coal board guide or any other essential documents that are required
IP: 93.186.23.98
staffordshirechina

Avatar of staffordshirechina

Joined: 15/11/2009
Location: North Staffordshire

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
coal board
Posted: 26/04/2013 21:35:58
Reply |  Quote
You are missing the point here. There is no guide. There are some training manuals and the actual legislation document but the actual 'how to' is gained during training, passed from father to son since time began........... IP: 86.183.136.225
J25GTi

Joined: 09/06/2012

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
coal board
Posted: 27/04/2013 08:28:55
Reply |  Quote
staffordshirechina wrote:

You are missing the point here. There is no guide. There are some training manuals and the actual legislation document but the actual 'how to' is gained during training, passed from father to son since time began...........


I just need to know the rules governing the installations. The rest of it isn't difficult. Glare

Everyone always has such a negative attitude to things like this assuming its always really difficult and specialised. Wiring is wiring like I said. So rather than just negative comments telling me that its not possible how about back it up with something useful like links to websites that I would need to look at etc to back your point up?

I have always specialised in out of the ordinary and special installations. This is the next logical progression, and can guaruntee you like every other piece of my work it will be in line with all appropriate legislation and regulations.

IP: 93.186.31.96
Trewillan

Joined: 21/02/2012

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
coal board
Posted: 27/04/2013 10:07:26
Reply |  Quote
J25GTi wrote:


I just need to know the rules governing the installations....

....links to websites that I would need to look at etc....




All the statutory stuff is avaialble on Gov, HMSO and HSE web sites. Technical details must also be easy enough to find.

Have you tried googling these yourself?
IP: 94.72.252.104
Ty Gwyn

Joined: 30/10/2009
Location: Lampeter

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
coal board
Posted: 27/04/2013 13:52:29
Reply |  Quote
Or have a word with qualified ex NCB sparkies on the Welshcoalmines forum.

I suggest asking Blaenboy,Maerdy trained,and after closure worked with heavy industrial installations.

He seems to know his chips.
IP: 86.170.196.142
Tamarmole

Joined: 20/05/2009
Location: Tamar Valley

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
coal board
Posted: 27/04/2013 18:41:40
Reply |  Quote
staffordshirechina wrote:

to comply with mining law you must also have the necessary mining electrical certification..


I am not sure that this is strictly correct.

With regard to "Mining Law" my understanding is that it is the responsibility of the Mine Manager to appoint a competent person (s) to carry out electrical work. Reg 16 of the electrical regs states that in assessing competence "account should be taken of: (a) experience, technical knowledge and ability to understand the system and electrical equipment on which work is being carried out...."

In the context of coal, shale and fireclay assessing competence will include approved qualifications (including mine electrical qualifications).

However MASHAM Appendix 1 para 5 specifically states "No qualifications have yet been approved for mines other than mines of coal, shale and fireclay".

My reading of this is that approved qualifications are not required in law in mines other than coal, shale and fireclay.

IP: 86.139.216.179
somersetminer

Avatar of somersetminer

Joined: 19/05/2012
Location: Bristol

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
coal board
Posted: 27/04/2013 20:57:23
Reply |  Quote
Tamarmole wrote:


My reading of this is that approved qualifications are not required in law in mines other than coal, shale and fireclay.



I think thats right, coal is a special case, as I understand it in other mines the mine manager has the power to issue tickets for using certain equipment and carrying out certain procedures (on the mine site) that would require an independant assessment in other trades
IP: 2.216.55.45
staffordshirechina

Avatar of staffordshirechina

Joined: 15/11/2009
Location: North Staffordshire

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
coal board
Posted: 27/04/2013 21:49:36
Reply |  Quote
Correct, I was referring to the coal aspect of this thread.

Other mines are more lenient. The mine that I manage uses electricians from the company's surface installations for any underground work. They just do their work to mining rules, not surface rules. However, they are used to dealing with the heavy equipment and cabling that we have, so not much change. They do not have formal underground mine training so are under 'close personal supervision' at all times when working.
IP: 86.183.136.225
Safety LED Miners Caplamps Moore Books: Specialist Books I.A. Recordings: Mining and Industrial History DVDs Starless River - Caving Store Explore a Disused Welsh Slate Mine
Disclaimer: Mine exploring can be quite dangerous, but then again it can be alright, it all depends on the weather. Please read the proper disclaimer.
© 2005 to 2015 AditNow.co.uk
Top of Page