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Author Moel Fferna Trip - 11/05/2013
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New event added 'Moel Fferna Trip May 2012' on 11/05/2013 at 10:00
Posted: 12/05/2013 13:34:15
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Thanks everybody for making a great day. Always good to get back to Moel Fferna.

A few photos from yesterday:

Attempting to photograph the drill hols in the chamber wall, looking up to floor 7 from floor 6



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View along floor 7



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The hand pump



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The cog



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The bridge



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The bridge from below



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Partial group photo



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New event added 'Moel Fferna Trip May 2012' on 11/05/2013 at 10:00
Posted: 12/05/2013 14:45:02
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Cracking photos as usual!
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Attempting to photograph the drill hols in the chamber wall, looking up to floor 7 from floor 6

And succeeding. Very nicely done!
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New event added 'Moel Fferna Trip May 2012' on 11/05/2013 at 10:00
Posted: 13/05/2013 15:08:36
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One of these days I'll make it to Fferna - only just over the mountain from my old house (which I 'camp out' at most weekends. It'll have to be one of these big meets when Electrons are used as I'm not much good at SRT (yet...)

In the meantime, great pictures to wet the appetite.

Going back to earlier comments about someone opening up one of the adits. Would be useful as an emergency exit. Who are the owners of Fferna? Could an agreement be made to gate it as per Cwm with a combo lock whose code is only given out to genuine mine explorers who'd respect such an industrial archeological gem? Food for thought...


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New event added 'Moel Fferna Trip May 2012' on 11/05/2013 at 10:00
Posted: 13/05/2013 16:18:15
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Personal opinion is that the adits should be left as they are, hopefully helping preserve the mine in it's present, excellent, condition. I know this flies in the face of exploration and "inclusion", and I would never advocate the closing up of an historically open adit, but Moel Fferna has been limited access for years and is worth keeping that way? Discuss..... Wink

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New event added 'Moel Fferna Trip May 2012' on 11/05/2013 at 10:00
Posted: 13/05/2013 17:10:15
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The gate on Cwmorthin was a requirement laid down by the landowner following the adit collapse in 2006.

There have been problems at Cwm even despite the gate. People smashing rocks off the tunnel wall just inside daylight on lake level, the honesty box got nicked (back in the days of FoC and contributions) and I'm sure there have been issues with litter, arrows etc. Haven't locks been damaged over the years as well?

Like it or not there is an element of people that will litter, graffiti etc.

I'd like to see Moel Fferna stay the way it is for as long as possible.

The airshaft abseil / ladder is fun. And I've seen plenty of people who badly wanted to go there build themselves up to it and then get a real sense of achievement of having explored a place that's a) in good nick, and b) not a straight walk in.
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Moel Fferna Trip - 11/05/2013
Posted: 13/05/2013 17:38:33
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sinker wrote:

Personal opinion is that the adits should be left as they are, hopefully helping preserve the mine in it's present. excellent, condition. I know this flies in the face of exploration and "inclusion", and I would never advocate the closing up of an historically open adit, but Moel Fferna has been limited access for years and is worth keeping that way? Discuss..... Wink


Agreed.

As a matter of interest I was browsing thrugh the 1983 book on Moel Fferna last night. It said that in 1915 there were 3 men working at the slab quarry about half mile from the mine.
There was some sort of rock collapse which fell on to the three men killing two and seriously injuring the third which was the brother of one of the men killed. He managed to crawl to the top of the incline and shout for help.
There was not of work done at the slab quarry after that incident.

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Moel Fferna Trip - 11/05/2013
Posted: 13/05/2013 18:21:11
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I am in 2 minds.

I agree with keeping it in nice condition, and it's not as if it's "off limits" to anyone, but a certain level of "skill" is required to get in there which deters the casual idiots that break stuff for no apparent reason.

On the other hand, what if, and I hope it does not, an accident happens? Knocking down the wall in the entrance would take a while, and then winching up the shaft. An adit would make it a hell of a lot easier to extricate someone in a bad way.

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Moel Fferna Trip - 11/05/2013
Posted: 13/05/2013 20:56:46
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i have heard that local kids get in too ,on builders rope Shocked so what newstuff said i agree fully . IP: 92.17.92.67
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Moel Fferna Trip - 11/05/2013
Posted: 13/05/2013 21:06:41
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The argument about it making it easier to rescue somebody from is a very valid one, I agree.

However, I can think of umpteen trips I've been on where a rescue would be difficult bordering on impossible. Committing trips, big drops / ascents, deep wet bits, swims. In respect of an awkward rescue Moel Fferna isn't unique; and probably most cave systems would fall into this category.

If I wanted to only go places from where I could be rescued easily, well, heck, I'd go to the pub Laugh

As for local kids... You'd have to be stir crazy to drop that shaft on polyprop. But if there was an open adit then perhaps ten times as many kids would go and it wouldn't be too long before one dropped off that bridge and made a circle of raspberry jam of itself on floor 3...

All IMO Smile
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Moel Fferna Trip - 11/05/2013
Posted: 13/05/2013 21:20:02
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Would a rescue be particularly complex from that? Its only a very short wide open shaft. Its not as if its a tight or properly vertical cave system or even a metal mine full of false floors (many of which only have one way in......).

Perhaps there's a case for not looking for problems which don't necessarily exist? There must be other adits about more worthy of opening?
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Moel Fferna Trip - 11/05/2013
Posted: 13/05/2013 21:27:58
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Leave it as it is.

As Simon said, most places are going to be 'difficult' should a rescue be needed, this is no different.
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Moel Fferna Trip - 11/05/2013
Posted: 13/05/2013 23:21:43
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I've never been to Moel Fferna unfortunately, one one hand though it doesn't look to be a mine with a lot of vertical distance, and the roofs look very safe, so my immediate impression is safer than say Cwmorthin or that hell hole I went into a few weeks ago.

On the other hand there's always a chance eh, and if someone broke their leg down there and didn't tell anybody, climbing out with a ladder would be a lot harder than crawling out of an adit to get a phone signal to ring for help

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Moel Fferna Trip - 11/05/2013
Posted: 22/05/2013 10:44:54
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hymac580c wrote:

sinker wrote:

Personal opinion is that the adits should be left as they are, hopefully helping preserve the mine in it's present. excellent, condition. I know this flies in the face of exploration and "inclusion", and I would never advocate the closing up of an historically open adit, but Moel Fferna has been limited access for years and is worth keeping that way? Discuss..... Wink


Agreed.

As a matter of interest I was browsing thrugh the 1983 book on Moel Fferna last night. It said that in 1915 there were 3 men working at the slab quarry about half mile from the mine.
There was some sort of rock collapse which fell on to the three men killing two and seriously injuring the third which was the brother of one of the men killed. He managed to crawl to the top of the incline and shout for help.
There was not of work done at the slab quarry after that incident.


What book on Moel Fferna - never seen it and would like to out of personal interest.

As for opening the adit's they were blown in when the quarry closed as a safety measure, we used to crawl into the one at the bridge level and that would be the easiest however , the tip above is collapsing in and would make that unsafe unless a lot of steel was used.

As for local kids where are they from its a hell of a walk from the nearest village

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Moel Fferna Trip - 11/05/2013
Posted: 22/05/2013 11:09:45
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I had a walk up there last Sunday and it was my first visit.
My car is a low slung Skoda VRS and I left it by the old van body just through the first gate. The tarmac road went much further and I could have parked on the left hand side near the end, there was a bit of turning space there as well. After the next gate it becomes a rutted track, 4X4 territory so walk, walk.

Mine was interesting. Found the pitch down but it looked a simple handline job off the tree and down to the ladder, any commment?

I am thinking of the kit lugging routine and desire to take camera and lighting etc

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Moel Fferna Trip - 11/05/2013
Posted: 22/05/2013 11:14:00
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This one I guess.

http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Moel_Fferna_Quarries.html?id=fU_0MgEACAAJ

27 pages by the Glyndyfrdwy Women's Institute and Clwyd Centre for Educational Technology
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Moel Fferna Trip - 11/05/2013
Posted: 22/05/2013 11:20:55
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Agree totally re the handline however suspect that a lot of the people the quarry attracts aren't used to places like Nent and using a handline or even freeclimbing steep stuff might therefore be out of the ordinary to them? Possibly anyway... IP: 217.212.230.173
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Moel Fferna Trip - 11/05/2013
Posted: 22/05/2013 17:58:01
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I hear another trip is planned? Shocked

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Moel Fferna Trip - 11/05/2013
Posted: 22/05/2013 19:27:09
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"Planned" is a very broad term Laugh

But yes there were a few who couldn't make it on the day, so if anyone would like to add their names onto this thread over the next week or so I will set up a date, and post it up. I'm thinking towards the end of the Summer?
I appreciate that its not long since the last trip but anyone who has been before but feels like making a photo-opportunity out of it could also tag along.
I'm sure that a couple of the locals may feel like joining us there too Thumb Up

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Moel Fferna Trip - 11/05/2013
Posted: 22/05/2013 19:43:07
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Could do it same time as that Corris trip like? Though they're a fair distance apart.

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Moel Fferna Trip - 11/05/2013
Posted: 22/05/2013 22:10:15
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Couldnt make the last one.... so im up for a trip Thumbs Up Thumbs Up
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