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Arkendale, 1876
Posted: 31/12/2012 22:34:39
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Hi,
This extract from Edward Wadham's diary. He rarely spent long days underground or stayed up late plotting surveys - certainly not both. Arkendale is not mentioned before or since. Is anything known?
19 December 1876
In office till 11 o'clock then to Richmond (Yorks) to meet Mr Eddy about the Arkendale Mines. Arrived at Richmond at 10.0pm.
Stormy
20 December
Engaged at Arkendale underground from 10 till 7. Then at work till 3.0am.
Very wet day
21 December
Engaged at Arkendale underground from 10 till 7 them at work till 2.0am.
Very wet - sleet & rain - snow at night
22 December
Engaged at Arkendale underground from 10 till 7 them at work till 2.0am.
Fine frosty day
23 December
Engaged at Arkendale underground from 10 till 1 then to Scar House. Lunched and left for home at 2.30. Drove to Barnard Castle. arrived home at 10.15pm.
Very cold & hard frost


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Posted: 01/01/2013 01:05:53
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Not sure what you want to know - but he's referring to Arkengarthdale. That's between Reeth and Tan Hill. Faggergill, Danby, Old Moulds, Windegg, Routh, Nut Hole and Justice levels to name a few that can be found on here. It would have been pretty dam busy round there in 1876. IP: 82.29.36.210
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Arkendale, 1876
Posted: 01/01/2013 20:17:34
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Mr Eddy is almost certainly the famous mining engineer/consultant who came to fame by running the Duke of Devonshire's Grassington Mines.
So it implies some advice on a mining problem.
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Arkendale, 1876
Posted: 01/01/2013 20:41:20
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Scar House was owned by one of the local mine owners and/or managers. Couldn't say which off the top of my head.

To have got from the mine to Scar House for his lunch then on his way again in an hour and a half suggests he must have been working in a mine fairly close to the house.

Identifying the owner and looking at the year should go some way towards narrowing down which mine it is.
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Posted: 01/01/2013 22:44:40
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blackshiver wrote:

Not sure what you want to know - but he's referring to Arkengarthdale. That's between Reeth and Tan Hill. Faggergill, Danby, Old Moulds, Windegg, Routh, Nut Hole and Justice levels to name a few that can be found on here. It would have been pretty dam busy round there in 1876.

I suppose I was hoping to hear that there was some major development shortly after the visit, or perhaps a change of ownership. Looking at the 1877 diary he was at Richmond on 4/5 January for Faber v Jaques.
Agreed that he means Arkengarthdale and I now understand that that still does not identify the mine.
John Lawson - Thanks. The name Eddy occurs repeatedly and it had not occurred to me that he was in the same line of business.

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Posted: 02/01/2013 09:00:45
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Thumbing through British Mining 53.

The Arkengarthdale Mining Company was formed in 1870.
Partners were Hon Charles Wentworth Fitzwilliam, William Frogatt Bethel, George Thomas Gilpen Brown, William Whitehall, Thomas Whitwell and George Coates Whitwell for a term of 22 years.

It talks about rich strikes of ore being made in Danby and Faggergill in 1874

Theres mention of an ambitious project at Old Smelt Mill Level in this period (but no date)

Harkers Level started in 1871

Booze Wood being worked and hitting the Booze Wood Vein in 1872

According to a few websites Scar House is Gilpen Browns (nice photo of it here http://www.knowledge.me.uk/photos/dales/scar_house2.html)

Harkers Level, Old Smelt Mill Level and Booze Wood are all within a mile of Scar House, Danby 1.5 miles, Faggergill 2.5 mile.
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Posted: 02/01/2013 19:48:11
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Old Moulds level would also be within walking distance. This is considered to be the main tramway to the A.D. and Surrender ground of these respective mining Companies.
Turf Moor levell is above Moulds an about a half a mile from it, but Moulds is my bet.
Hope this helps.
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Posted: 02/01/2013 22:13:48
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Not so sure about Old Moulds in this period, Mike Gills book talks about it being a wayleave for Surrender until 1873 and also mentions an 1863 report where Old Moulds is 'almost abandoned'.

None of my books seem to mention Old Moulds in the Arkengarthdale Mining Company' period (although that doesn't mean it wasn't worked of course)

Mikes book also mentions development in Stang Level as well as the four I already mentioned (Faggergill, Harkers, Old Smelt Mill, Booze Wood) which is 1.5 miles away.
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Posted: 03/01/2013 19:26:24
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Hi Chris, I do not think we can assume that just because Mike says that it was not being used much then that is a proven fact!
His book is useful but there are no NGRs nor more importantly very few actual source documents cross referenced.
This latter point means it is very difficult to check up on anything, without carrying out the research yourself.
Importantly in his book no mention is made of Peter. Crabtree the discover of the Sir Francis Engine!
My experience has told me that even if a company does not work a mine, then miners would often work it under a tribute system. Perhaps one of these groups had some sort of proposal for the author of this diary
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Posted: 03/01/2013 19:48:01
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I wasn't trying to suggest it was a proven fact in the slightest

(although that doesn't mean it wasn't worked of course)

The paragraph in the Gill book pretty much mirrors the info in Tysons BM53 which does give references to Pay Books and 'Scar House Papers'.

I'm sure if anyone had the time to look into those in more detail it may be possible to nail down what exactly was happening in late 1876

As it is i'm just relaying my best guesses from the information available to me.
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Posted: 03/01/2013 20:00:25
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I've just this moment tracked down a thesis from 1999 that makes mention of the dispute about the wayleave in 1873.

http://etheses.dur.ac.uk/4569/1/4569_2033.PDF
Page 76

Their letter stated that the use of this level was convenient yet dispensable for Surrender but did, "endanger profitable working and prospecting" for the Arkengarthdale Company

So to prove your own point for you, maybe they were working it. Wink
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Posted: 05/01/2013 18:50:24
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Hi Chris,,

Thanks for directing me towards this thesis. It is one of the most interesting research topics I have read since the Northern lead miner and that was a few years ago!
Severally interesting gems there that I did not know about.
The strike by L.L.C. Miners and his assertion that the drove the Sir Francis level at the wrong horizon.
Well worth a read, although like many historians he is looking at trends and tends to ignore specifics.
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