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Posted: 03/07/2012 14:58:41
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This is something I've always fancied having a look at, is it still accessible?

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Posted: 03/07/2012 15:01:29
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Some info on the Sub Brit site by Nick Catford IP: 86.22.26.160
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Posted: 03/07/2012 16:43:16
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PeteJ wrote:

Some info on the Sub Brit site by Nick Catford


That's where I first saw it some years ago and I did make some enquiries then without much luck, The Sub-Brit site says access is controlled by Railtrack.
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Posted: 03/07/2012 19:02:32
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ttxela wrote:

PeteJ wrote:

Some info on the Sub Brit site by Nick Catford


That's where I first saw it some years ago and I did make some enquiries then without much luck, The Sub-Brit site says access is controlled by Railtrack.


That sounds like a "no" then.
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Posted: 03/07/2012 20:12:16
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An official Anglo-French protocol was established in 1876 for a cross-Channel railway tunnel. In 1881, British railway entrepreneur Sir Edward Watkin and French Suez Canal contractor Alexandre Lavalley were in the Anglo-French Submarine Railway Company that conducted exploratory work on both sides of the Channel. On the English side a 2.13-metre (7 ft) diameter Beaumont-English boring machine dug a 1,893-metre (6,211 ft) pilot tunnel from Shakespeare Cliff. On the French side, a similar machine dug 1,669 m (5,476 ft) from Sangatte. The project was abandoned in May 1882, owing to British political and press campaigns advocating that a tunnel would compromise Britain's national defences.[11] These early works were encountered more than a century later during the TML project.

O.K., I know checking out on Wikipedia is sad, but I would like to see these boring machines. Smile
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Posted: 03/07/2012 21:02:57
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Trewillan wrote:

ttxela wrote:

PeteJ wrote:

Some info on the Sub Brit site by Nick Catford


That's where I first saw it some years ago and I did make some enquiries then without much luck, The Sub-Brit site says access is controlled by Railtrack.


That sounds like a "no" then.


We-ell Sub-brit obviously got access in 1988 and the photo above suggests access in 2008.
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Posted: 03/07/2012 21:05:19
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An official Anglo-French protocol was established in 1876 for a cross-Channel railway tunnel. In 1881, British railway entrepreneur Sir Edward Watkin and French Suez Canal contractor Alexandre Lavalley were in the Anglo-French Submarine Railway Company that conducted exploratory work on both sides of the Channel. On the English side a 2.13-metre (7 ft) diameter Beaumont-English boring machine dug a 1,893-metre (6,211 ft) pilot tunnel from Shakespeare Cliff. On the French side, a similar machine dug 1,669 m (5,476 ft) from Sangatte. The project was abandoned in May 1882, owing to British political and press campaigns advocating that a tunnel would compromise Britain's national defences.[11] These early works were encountered more than a century later during the TML project.

O.K., I know checking out on Wikipedia is sad, but I would like to see these boring machines. Smile


Hmmm, I wonder what is left on the Sangatte side....
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Posted: 04/07/2012 12:20:23
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O.K., I know checking out on Wikipedia is sad, but I would like to see these boring machines. Smile


Time to brush up on your school French.

http://www.gloubik.info/sciences/spip.php?article1376

Not boring at all Wink

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Posted: 04/07/2012 12:36:44
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Plenty of images under Google images,

A few posts on 28DL too;

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/14705-1880-Channel-tunnel

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Posted: 04/07/2012 13:19:22
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This is some where i would love to see Smile

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Posted: 04/07/2012 15:31:26
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ttxela wrote:


Hmmm, I wonder what is left on the Sangatte side....


Probably full of refugees digging like f--- Big Grin
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Posted: 04/07/2012 18:05:59
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If I remember correctly the TV series Coast featured this in one of their episodes in either the 2nd or 3rd series, very interesting, and I would have like to have seen one of the machines they used. IP: 2.220.199.136
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Posted: 04/07/2012 20:55:23
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edd wrote:

This is some where i would love to see Smile


Well given that further searching turns up quite a few trip reports from the last few years that claim legitimate access it must surely be possible to arrange a trip, I might PM the user who uploaded this photo and see if they can give us a pointer Smile
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Posted: 04/07/2012 22:27:35
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ttxela wrote:

PeteJ wrote:

Some info on the Sub Brit site by Nick Catford


That's where I first saw it some years ago and I did make some enquiries then without much luck, The Sub-Brit site says access is controlled by Railtrack.


I wionder if it would be worth making an approach to Railtrack through ANMHS? I'll happily give it a go...

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Posted: 01/11/2015 13:50:17
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I got a bit busy and this dropped down my list a bit Blush

I'd still like to try and arrange a visit if possible.
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Posted: 02/11/2015 13:07:14
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This is the machine that did it - an Engraving from the "Engineer" courtesy that mine of information, the Graces Guide site. Despite persistent rumours however, the machines were removed as follows:

In 1879 English completed a detailed design for an adaptation of Beaumont's original tunnelling machine (to Beaumont's second patent) which was then at Fowler's works at Leeds in order to meet the tunnelling requirements temporarily and which would furnish information for an entirely new machine.

This machine was tested "under steam" at Fowlers in early July 1880 arrived at Folkestone later the same month, and commenced work in October 1880.

By July 1881 the original machine had completed 880 yards at Abbot's Cliff, the last yard being a speed and endurance test for the machine. It made 41 revolutions in 47 minutes, cutting 24 inches, but the machine was very unsteady, nearly twisting over.

Two new machines were ordered from Messrs Fowler's of Leeds in May 1881 and Gouin & Cie, Paris in June 1881 to English's patent drawings and completed in autumn 1881, both being set to work almost at once. They worked at 27 yards in 24 hours. About 2,950 yards had been bored at Dover and 1829 at Sangatte work being stopped in 1882.

The Fowler machine was sold as it stood in the heading in 1887 to the Channel Tunnel Company, and the machine made be Gouin & Cie was removed from the heading at Sangatte and sold to Messrs. Bewick and Moreing, Mining Engineers.

(This account is very much abridged from "Honourable Conquests" by A.J.Smithers)

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Posted: 02/11/2015 13:22:42
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Am I imagining it or did Beaumont have some involvement at Croesor? I also seem to recall that he acquired a De Winton loco as part of this work. Is my memory playing tricks? IP: 109.156.72.172
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Posted: 02/11/2015 13:32:46
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Yes, the same Beaumont was involved at Croesor, his diamond drilling company being involved in driving the diagonal shaft which was to intercept the lower workings. I havn't heard about a deWinton though.

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Posted: 02/11/2015 14:22:34
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Victorian engineering-- ain't it wonderful ----Thumb UpThumb Up


Wonder how they managed to run a mile of pressure steam pipe to run the thing, or am I being dumb?

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Posted: 02/11/2015 14:51:21
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No, although steam is mentioned in the works trial, the actual operation was carried out by compressed air supplied from engines at the surface. Transport along the tunnel was also by compressed air locomotives.

Altogether a fascinating development - and one which could have succeeded!

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