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Posted: 05/11/2012 22:33:58
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as you can see they left out any area that suited themselves - the Holman Site, the entire route of the East West Link, South crofty, teagles and Heartlands.

If anyone can tell me why Laity Fields is more important to the world heritage site than Bickford Smiths or Tuckingmill valley I will be most interested!
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Posted: 05/11/2012 23:13:00
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This appears to be a recurring theme. Fussing over trivia whilst major points are missed. How very governmental of them!

I do know several of these people personally, which is a part of the reason the whole RDA/QUANGO/3rd sector/pseudo-academic "scene" absolutely enrages me. Just because you have a PhD in Historic Mining Studies does not make you some sort of interpretive messiah and the bottom line to be obeyed in these matters. Often a few humble locals excel in many ways and should form a part of the consultation process (which on paper, I'm sure they do) however the deities of this scene have very little time to listen to little, ignorant people.

I was on a field trip with several people, only partially known to each other, one being a major authority on local mining (however, no PhD, professorship, or prominent texts) and I was disgusted to the point of revulsion by a couple of these "important people" and the level of contempt they demonstrated towards this "pleb".

What they have achieved is impressive and what they are trying to do is honourable, but it demonstrates the level of detachment these travelling snake oil salesmen suffer from.

It's in a similar vein to the CAU. Write a report about a concrete shaft building, yet allow a major set of mining remains to remain partially unrecorded and be subsequently destroyed by council bulldozers. (Who are no doubt about to go plugging a bat habitat as well.....watch this space)

If they were effective, we would not be moaning about this. Something along the lines of the WHS and all of the superduper celebration of Cornish Mining is fantastic and does put us on the map. However, if they went about it the right way, we would not be wondering why on one hand, they are pissing about with a valid economic venture which puts Cornwall well and truly back on the mining map and the miner back on the county crest whilst seemingly ignoring certain MAJOR mines and in certain cases, failing to protect the heritage.

It certainly seems to be the case that the whole "phenomena" surrounding redevelopment and various history "promoting" bodies seem to have been infiltrated by a self-selecting bunch of gravy trainers with questionable integrity. Should I say "useless partisans"?

From yapping to a bunch of local mining enthusiasts and knowing several of the quangoites, I can see why some of the decisions have been duds.

In the meantime, I think we should put a big stainless steel sundial over there by the entrance to the mine as well as a sculpture which celebrates mixed race lesbian trombonists.

Well, I suppose it's a bloody good job Damian Hirst isn't involved.
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Posted: 06/11/2012 00:27:02
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stuey wrote:


Well, I suppose it's a bloody good job Damian Hirst isn't involved.
......yet Crying

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Posted: 06/11/2012 04:54:35
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The 'Inside out' programme this evening outlined everything to do with the heritage 'thing' but omitted to mention the council's relief road. This will cut through a whole swathe of highly interesting, and INMHO historically important, industrial archaeology, and bisect a site that has remained virtually unchanged for three centuries.
Was the reason for crofty being left out of the WHS loop, the fact that the road had already been planned? and as we all know...roads must be built. It makes sense that they did not want to throw a spanner into their own works by rubbing UNESCO up the wrong way........ Roll Eyes

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Posted: 10/11/2012 02:46:28
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lmao Shocked .. anyways whats the latest on the hole .. has gus been evicted lol . i read further back about the depression in sump field, i used to frequent that area a lot few years back and noticed and wondered whether somins movin under there Blink n yes iv sat on that seat n walked over where it opened up many times. Blink IP: 92.41.80.193
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Posted: 17/12/2012 19:06:39
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Just an update, all the barrier fencing has gone, the site is now accessible, although the area around the shafts is behind a small wooden fence and a gravel path has been laid, whole area rather muddy. 2 Vents? (not complete) are sticking out of the ground.

In the other old sump field, the fencing has been extended and as of Sunday, attempts had been made to remove the first 1ft of topsoil over the depression with nothing obvious underneath....I do wonder how the digger driver felt scraping away at an area which possibly could collapse. No sign of any drilling or other operations yet.

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Posted: 17/12/2012 19:33:45
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I loved the quotes in the newspaper last week, which basically sums up as: -

"oh hell, we really have no idea how big this thing really is, quick cover it up and cross our fingers until we start building the new road next year, then its the road contractors problem!!!"
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Posted: 17/12/2012 20:33:32
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Knocker wrote:

I loved the quotes in the newspaper last week, which basically sums up as: -

"oh hell, we really have no idea how big this thing really is, quick cover it up and cross our fingers until we start building the new road next year, then its the road contractors problem!!!"


Yes sort of how I read it..with the stoping and the old shallow adit system all being driven over with heavy plant in the August downpours we seem to get every year it maybe a repeat of the Camborne Redruth by pass story from the 1970's...

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Posted: 19/12/2012 00:31:16
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Apparently (according to the West Briton) a local councilor has raised concerns about safety of the £27,000,000 relief road, Well not so much the road as the cost of unseen workings in the vicinity of its course. The latest subsidence at Wh Harriet has got them all jumping like clockwork frogs behind the scenes.
When the Camborne / Redruth by-pass was planned, They knew the location of a certain amount shafts. In addittion they also estimated and allowed a small figure for 'n' number of unknown shafts.
The estimates were woefully inaccurate; The local concrete firms did well out of it though.
Question - Has any drilling been done along the route yet?

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Posted: 19/12/2012 00:58:35
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No, I doubt they have done any drilling, but the usual consultants will be dragged in, as well as the person who's son makes the stainless sundials, a few meetings where Midas decide what their fee is and then well, the taxpayer picks up the bill.

It doesn't matter what happens, they have the public chequebook which is good to go. (according to Standard and Poor)
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Posted: 19/12/2012 07:45:55
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There has been plenty of drilling along the route as well as seismic surveys in two locations - approximately two years ago.

However none whatsoever have been done in the Wheal Harriett area.
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Posted: 03/01/2013 20:48:35
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Updated Photos as requested


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The last one was taken yesterday (2nd Jan) at the Dolcoath old sump shaft field












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