Mine exploration, photographs and mining history for mine explorers, industrial archaeologists, researchers and historians Mine explorer and mining history videos on YouTube Connect with other mine explorers on Facebook
Tip: do not include 'mine' or 'quarry', search by name e.g. 'cwmorthin', use 'Sounds like search' if unsure of spelling

Advanced Search
'Sounds like search'
Quick a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z
Tip: narrow down your search by typing more than one word and selecting 'Search for all words' or 'Exact search'

Search for any word
Search for all words
Exact search
Tip: narrow down your search by typing more than one word and selecting 'Search for all words' or 'Exact search'

Search for any word
Search for all words
Exact search

Mine Exploration Forum

Author Caplecleugh Horse Level Blocked...
PeteHall

Avatar of PeteHall

Joined: 31/08/2008
Location: Bristol

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Caplecleugh Horse Level Blocked...
Posted: 14/12/2011 22:38:26
Reply |  Quote
Tittle says it all,

There's been another collapse in the horse level blocking it completely about 100 yards or so before you reach Bog Shaft. It's still drafting well and appears to be blocked by several large boulders that have come down, squashing the adjacent arching. I've not been to the other side to gauge how bad it is yet.



(click image to open full size image in new window)
(sorry about the poor picture quality, but you'll get the general idea...)


There have also been numerous new collapses in the shale beds beyond the incline and before "toilet junction". Although there has been significant new falls, the general condition of that section of the level is much the same as before...

Edit: Picture added

--

The distance between stupidity and genius is measured only by success.
IP: 92.23.140.196 Edited: 14/12/2011 22:51:19 by PeteHall
christwigg

Avatar of christwigg

Joined: 20/02/2008
Location: Cleveland / North Yorkshire

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Caplecleugh Horse Level Blocked...
Posted: 15/12/2011 07:46:39
Reply |  Quote
Jeepers, that looks fairly terminal from the size of that boulder on the left.

Looks like it might be High Level only for the through trip from now on.
IP: 82.5.179.238
PeteHall

Avatar of PeteHall

Joined: 31/08/2008
Location: Bristol

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Caplecleugh Horse Level Blocked...
Posted: 15/12/2011 09:19:58
Reply |  Quote
christwigg wrote:

Jeepers, that looks fairly terminal from the size of that boulder on the left.


The one behind it is bigger...

My main concern is that the big one you see on the left has squashed the arching, so disturbing it to clear it could bring down even more... It's hard to judge how much work it will be to clear without having a look from the other side, which would be easier access to clear it anyway; assuming it's not flooded to the roof Shocked

--

The distance between stupidity and genius is measured only by success.
IP: 92.30.171.131
royfellows

Avatar of royfellows

Joined: 13/06/2007
Location: Great Wyrley near Walsall

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Caplecleugh Horse Level Blocked...
Posted: 15/12/2011 11:36:59
Reply |  Quote
Are you absolutely sure that the level is blocked completely?

Only it does look a bit familiar to me

--

''Clearing this would take a major engineering job ''-Prof David James, Henfwlch Mine, 2011
IP: 78.151.47.252
Mr Mike

Avatar of Mr Mike

Joined: 09/06/2007
Location: Bury - In The Laboratory

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Caplecleugh Horse Level Blocked...
Posted: 15/12/2011 11:49:33
Reply |  Quote
I have spoke with Pete, and it looks like the fall is in the same place that there already was one. It is past the junction for CC North Vein.

It is the place with the big boulders already down and then past that, the really deep water. When you went through that chamber and looked up, it always looked like there was more to come down.....

--

Mr Mike www.mineexplorer.org.uk
IP: 79.70.74.23
PeteHall

Avatar of PeteHall

Joined: 31/08/2008
Location: Bristol

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Caplecleugh Horse Level Blocked...
Posted: 15/12/2011 12:17:12
Reply |  Quote
royfellows wrote:

Are you absolutely sure that the level is blocked completely?

Only it does look a bit familiar to me


Absolutely.

As Mr Mike says, it is at a point where there was already a lot down, but it is now impassible. It is still drafting well, so maybe only a few big lumps have come in...

--

The distance between stupidity and genius is measured only by success.
IP: 92.23.131.183
PeteHall

Avatar of PeteHall

Joined: 31/08/2008
Location: Bristol

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Caplecleugh Horse Level Blocked...
Posted: 15/12/2011 12:23:07
Reply |  Quote
Roy, does this look a little less familiar?



(click image to open full size image in new window)

The boulder to the left has I think been there some time, the one in the middle is new as are a lot of the bits around and about.

Again, apologies for the poor photo quality



--

The distance between stupidity and genius is measured only by success.
IP: 92.23.131.183
royfellows

Avatar of royfellows

Joined: 13/06/2007
Location: Great Wyrley near Walsall

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Caplecleugh Horse Level Blocked...
Posted: 15/12/2011 14:03:53
Reply |  Quote
Ah, yes I was right but then wrong as well

As Mike says, it was at at a place that I called "my fish route". A lot of people who do the through trip nowadays go up through the north Flats using SRT, I prefer my fish route.

It needs someone to take a look from the other side as it may be easily clearable.
There was a climb up to the right of the big flat slab avoiding the hanging arching, bit of a squeeze, then drop down into arched level with about 8 inches of air space.

I doubt that anything can be done from the Caplecleugh side, it needs to be tackled from the Smallcleaugh side.

As far as Dowgang Level is concerned, a lot of the fallen shale is well trampled but there is a section that apears to be constantly flaking from the roof. I want to try to organise some work there next year, it will be Easter before I am up there again

--

''Clearing this would take a major engineering job ''-Prof David James, Henfwlch Mine, 2011
IP: 78.151.47.252
christwigg

Avatar of christwigg

Joined: 20/02/2008
Location: Cleveland / North Yorkshire

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Caplecleugh Horse Level Blocked...
Posted: 15/12/2011 16:09:04
Reply |  Quote
royfellows wrote:

It needs someone to take a look from the other side as it may be easily clearable.

I'll be up that way after Christmas, perhaps even before then.
Will try to take a look if i'm in that area.
IP: 145.8.104.65 Edited: 15/12/2011 16:12:47 by christwigg
royfellows

Avatar of royfellows

Joined: 13/06/2007
Location: Great Wyrley near Walsall

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Caplecleugh Horse Level Blocked...
Posted: 15/12/2011 18:18:27
Reply |  Quote
christwigg wrote:

royfellows wrote:

It needs someone to take a look from the other side as it may be easily clearable.

I'll be up that way after Christmas, perhaps even before then.
Will try to take a look if i'm in that area.


We will have to keep our fingers crossed Chris. If you get to the end of the arched level you only have 8 inches of air space and if its solid fall in front of you, we may have had it.

I would then try poking with a long bar from the Caplecleugh side to see if anything can be dislodged to gain access to the cavity made by the fall. If the cavity can be gained from either side, then we may be able to recover the situation.

Be careful

EDIT
While I have Caplecleugh enthusists here, please be advised that the new SRT rope that has appeared going up to 'Loop Flats' on Caplecleugh Vein was put in by me.
For some time I have considered that the climb up the air pipes and crossing over an open hopper was an accident waiting to happen. NAMHO next year was originally planned for Nenthead and I was going to take a Caplecleugh trip, or 2, or 3! anyway, I was going to do this for the event, and then thought "why not do it anyway".
I ran it past ba few people last year, and everyone thought it a good idea.

What a struggle getting the DeWalt through the bloody shale, working on my own as usual.

--

''Clearing this would take a major engineering job ''-Prof David James, Henfwlch Mine, 2011
IP: 78.151.47.252 Edited: 15/12/2011 18:24:46 by royfellows
PeteHall

Avatar of PeteHall

Joined: 31/08/2008
Location: Bristol

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Caplecleugh Horse Level Blocked...
Posted: 15/12/2011 18:34:12
Reply |  Quote
royfellows wrote:


I would then try poking with a long bar from the Caplecleugh side

I picked up a 5' bar from nearby to have a poke, but on closer inspection decided 5' was closer than I wanted to be if anything did move. Without supporting the adjacent arching first I would worry about trying to dislodge anything there...
Either way, the bar is still there for use by anyone who dares Devil

My immediate thought was to try breaking up the larger boulders by use of a remote boulder breaking device Wink then poke at it/ clear the smaller stuff by hand

--

The distance between stupidity and genius is measured only by success.
IP: 92.30.207.190
RJV

Avatar of RJV

Joined: 16/03/2008
Location: Cleveland

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Caplecleugh Horse Level Blocked...
Posted: 15/12/2011 19:56:26
Reply |  Quote
Is there any sign that water is flowing past the collapse Pete? IP: 86.19.189.129
PeteHall

Avatar of PeteHall

Joined: 31/08/2008
Location: Bristol

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Caplecleugh Horse Level Blocked...
Posted: 15/12/2011 22:33:49
Reply |  Quote
It seems to be flowing through the lower parts of the fall as it did before, so I'd be fairly sure it wont have backed up too much if at all...

...but don't quote me on that when you're breathing through straws Shocked

--

The distance between stupidity and genius is measured only by success.
IP: 92.23.118.36
PeteHall

Avatar of PeteHall

Joined: 31/08/2008
Location: Bristol

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Caplecleugh Horse Level Blocked; Not any more
Posted: 03/02/2012 19:12:23
Reply |  Quote
We had a look in from the other side today, enabling us to get up into the cavity above the collapse. With a few hours work, we've managed to dig back through and drop the water level back to its former level. Smile

Mr K forgot his camera battery, so no photos, but the level is now passable again (and you might even say it's in a better state than before it fell in)

--

The distance between stupidity and genius is measured only by success.
IP: 92.30.148.84
christwigg

Avatar of christwigg

Joined: 20/02/2008
Location: Cleveland / North Yorkshire

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Caplecleugh Horse Level Blocked...
Posted: 03/02/2012 19:15:54
Reply |  Quote
Excellent news Pete, been meaning to go for a look myself but seem to have a lot on at the moment. Thumbs Up IP: 82.5.179.238 Edited: 03/02/2012 19:40:50 by christwigg
royfellows

Avatar of royfellows

Joined: 13/06/2007
Location: Great Wyrley near Walsall

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Caplecleugh Horse Level Blocked...
Posted: 03/02/2012 19:29:26
Reply |  Quote
Nice work!

Roy wil be back on his 'fish route' Easter. Glad you didn't drop the water level completely and spoil my fun

--

'Not gods—Englishmen, which is the next best thing' Micheal Cain; 'The man who would be king'
IP: 84.13.98.63
Mr Mike

Avatar of Mr Mike

Joined: 09/06/2007
Location: Bury - In The Laboratory

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Caplecleugh Horse Level Blocked...
Posted: 03/02/2012 19:41:23
Reply |  Quote
Excellent - go team youngen !

--

Mr Mike www.mineexplorer.org.uk
IP: 79.70.84.154
PeteHall

Avatar of PeteHall

Joined: 31/08/2008
Location: Bristol

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Caplecleugh Horse Level Blocked...
Posted: 04/02/2012 11:38:44
Reply |  Quote
royfellows wrote:

Glad you didn't drop the water level completely and spoil my fun


Wouldn't dream of doing that Wink and besides, that'd be one hell of a job Shocked

--

The distance between stupidity and genius is measured only by success.
IP: 92.30.148.84
Moore Books: Specialist Books I.A. Recordings: Mining and Industrial History DVDs Starless River - Caving Store Explore a Disused Welsh Slate Mine
Disclaimer: Mine exploring can be quite dangerous, but then again it can be alright, it all depends on the weather. Please read the proper disclaimer.
© 2005 to 2015 AditNow.co.uk
Top of Page