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Posted: 20/11/2011 19:30:29
Look at this thread on the other site
http://www.mine-explorer.co.uk/bbs/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=4456

A totall novice person proposing the trip
With attitude!
I have posted before about the responsibility of leaving ropes in situ.
Read this and make your own mind up
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Posted: 20/11/2011 20:04:11
i was wonderind which mine he was on about ,oh dear not good Shocked IP: 92.41.96.140
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Posted: 20/11/2011 20:40:41
Darwin award candidate methinks.

Perhaps the poor sucker has been into Pete's Eats and read "The Big Book of Days Out" where a little cartoon was left by some of us a few years ago!!

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Posted: 20/11/2011 21:11:02
Wormster wrote:

Darwin award candidate methinks.

Perhaps the poor sucker has been into Pete's Eats and read "The Big Book of Days Out" where a little cartoon was left by some of us a few years ago!!


Doubtful - the book changes a bit too regularly Wink

But it's not hard to find write-ups of the CRTT on the web, and it does seem everybody wants to do it.

NWCRO have had one rescue from the CRTT in the past few years; it's almost certain there will be more.

To be honest though, if a complete novice with attitude went for a look they'd probably make it to the top of the 1st pitch, wuss out and go home to make up some stories of the manly day out they've just had.

The biggest risk they'll pose is to themselves, and of course any potential rescuers.

The issue with the CRTT is how well known it is. Countering that, and deterring many, is it's reputation. However it's not that technical, it's just packed full of objective danger.

The question of rigging and fixed ropes it a tricky one - and one for discussion perhaps.

There's an expectation on the trip that everything is in-situ and is provided.

I've heard one report where people turned back because there weren't any boats. To assume boats will be in-situ is quite an assumption to make on a committing trip. By the time you find you should have spent a tenner on a boat you're practically in Rhosydd and are facing an iffy bridge crossing, a chamber traverse, a more solid bridge crossing, an uphill zip wire and two 80' ascents.

As for the ropes; in 5 years I've never seen it without ropes; they get worn from time to time and have probably been replaced at least twice in that time.

The fact that the 2nd pitch is not well rigged is another point that is made from time to time. It's much improved of late thanks to work by a few in placing very good rope protection at the worst rubs. But opinions vary from ripping the ropes out completely to rigging it with a re-belay.

But would this increase or decrease the risk of an accident? Rig it with a re-belay and, given the route is so well trodden, somebody may well get into a mess through not being able to cope with a re-belay.

Remove the ropes, and I suspect you'd get people doing it as a pull-through; and then what if the group can't get out of the Rhosydd end?

Is there an easy answer to it?

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IP: 86.143.137.42 Edited: 20/11/2011 21:36:34 by SimonRL
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Posted: 20/11/2011 22:56:06
You can watch him and his mates climbing chains in Dinorwig without helmets to a banging soundtrack if you like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEBTNBqwOgI
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Posted: 20/11/2011 23:40:49
I recognised a few lads on that video. They are Bangor university students, a few that I know well.

Will have a word with them about the CRTT, It's up to them whether they do it or not, but the least I can do is offer them guidance.

Nearly all of the video's featured on that channel include injuries sustained in the filmed activity. That worries me.
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Posted: 20/11/2011 23:49:16
they all look capable to me ?? cro due soon .. Laugh IP: 92.40.221.43
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Posted: 20/11/2011 23:50:49
suboffender wrote:

Will have a word with them about the CRTT, It's up to them whether they do it or not, but the least I can do is offer them guidance.


Ay, nobody can tell them what to do.

As an aside, I've heard First Hydro are considering blowing this (photo by Steamer):



(click image to open full size image in new window)

Because people are crossing it - as in walking across unprotected Shocked

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Posted: 20/11/2011 23:52:52
steve turbo wrote:

they all look capable to me ?? cro due soon .. Laugh


They are going to go and find the mine anyway, I'd rather educate, warn them of the dangers and avoid putting members of the NWCRO at risk.
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Posted: 20/11/2011 23:58:39
think they should rename that video Death Wish !

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Posted: 21/11/2011 00:07:34
simonrl wrote:

As an aside, I've heard First Hydro are considering blowing this (photo by Steamer):


Normally, I would be against this, but It's only a matter of time before someone takes a long header off of that. If they are stupid enough to cross that, then no amount of education will help. If I was in the position of managing this, It would be gone already.

As for them doing the trip, You can't do anything but advise against it unless they are experienced enough to undertake it. I still won't do it, because I'm not happy that I have the necessary skills and confidence to do it without issue.

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Posted: 21/11/2011 08:46:37
I have stumbled across a Yourube of an idiot crossing that.

Am I a bad person to have worried about this feature of Dinorwic being destroyed more than the damage to the clown crossing that (that said he was roped so injury would be minimal)?

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Posted: 21/11/2011 08:56:00
There a photo of those guys on it at 2:36 in the video I linked to.

If you're going to do it without a rope and helmet then fine, but don't post a public video of yourself doing it on youtube just to show First Hydro what a hero you are.
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Posted: 21/11/2011 09:12:24
If they can't find out the name of the place for themselves the chances of them finding their way in (and out) are quite slim....

Its not as if Croeser-Rhosydd is a well kept secret
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Posted: 21/11/2011 09:43:01
If they have any common sence they will now be able to find the mines. Tbh if you have a good look around as you go you can easily find the route through Croessor however you can easily get turned round in Rhosydd and have to do a bit of poking about to find the through.However the chance of them getting that far seems to be very slim.

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Posted: 21/11/2011 19:38:01
Hi, there I stumbled upon this interesting thread about myself and thought i would give it a read. First off "rufenig" im not a total novice and am unsure how u know enough about me to figure this out, also my attitude might have come from people such as yourself talking out of hand about my experience.

simonrl- i dont need to spin "manly" stories about a trip to a mine, and have had enough experience in dangerous situation, thanks. I think suboffender has the right attitude, off educating rather then giving flippent comments, such as me putting up a video to appear to be a hero, or me finding a way out is slim.

I'm doing my research and dont plan on doing this trip without complete understanding and knowledge.
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Posted: 21/11/2011 19:50:52
t1twenty wrote:

talking out of hand about my experience.


So rather than jumping in with BOTH feet and getting our backs up, why no do the POLITE thing and introduce yourself: Explain WHO you are, YOUR individual SKILL set, and a bit more about yourself.

Some of us have been at this game for more years than you've had hot dinners laddie, and coming in here barging about will only upset us Cursing

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Posted: 21/11/2011 20:07:57
t1twenty wrote:

simonrl- i dont need to spin "manly" stories about a trip to a mine, and have had enough experience in dangerous situation, thanks. I think suboffender has the right attitude, off educating rather then giving flippent comments, such as me putting up a video to appear to be a hero, or me finding a way out is slim.


OK, fair enough, apologies if you took offence at that - it was more a general comment about complete beginners wanting to do the trip rather then something specific.

Research the trip, do the trip, enjoy the trip. Above all stay safe.

As Wormster says, say hello, be nice, and you'll find a lot of helpful and friendly people.

But please also remember that some of us see the underground as more than a playground.

Its a lasting testement the people who made it; who worked there. It's part of our heritage. It'd be a pity if First Hydro saw that (and similar) videos and removed that track.

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Posted: 21/11/2011 20:17:50
A good attitude to have is a humble one. There is almost always someone out there who knows a bit more than you*, and one day you will be pleased to meet them.

*A general "you", not specific to anybody in particular.


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Posted: 21/11/2011 20:18:44
The polite thing would have been not to be so presumptuous int the first place. Politeness is not a one way street fella and have not been met with any politeness from the start. Ive explained my skill set on the other forum if youve read it. IP: 212.183.128.107
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