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Author Glynrhonwy - the saga continues
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Posted: 12/10/2007 09:58:07
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From the Beeb:

The company behind a ski centre in Gwynedd has withdrawn plans to develop a former quarry at Llanberis.

Adwy Eryri Cyf - Snowdonia Gateway Ltd is taking a "step back" and claimed lack of support from Gwynedd Council.

The company said it needed to update its business plan and would possibly consider another site in the county.

Gwynedd Council said plans put forward had shown "shortcomings" but it hoped for a public consultation on plans for the site early in 2008.

In December last year Gwynedd Council dismissed plans presented by two companies to redevelop Glyn Rhonwy quarry as a mountain bike centre or a ski complex, because of "weaknesses" in both plans.

The ski centre project, which it was hoped would create 600 jobs, included a 500m covered ski and snowboarding run, along with holiday accommodation and leisure facilities.

Gwyn Roberts, one of seven people behind Adwy Eryri, said it had now appointed a company to update their business plan.

"This should take about three months and afterwards we will look to the future," he added.

Mr Pritchard said he did not want to criticise Gwynedd council but said that his company had been put through "all sorts of hoops".

"We've had a knock with the (planning) process in Gwynedd so we've decided to take a step back.

"We do not want to throw everything away because we've so much under our belts.

"The economy in the area is on the way down and there are no good jobs around and young families are unable to afford their own homes."

"We have put £750,000 into the company to date, and we decided to update the business plan before we put any more money in."

Mr Roberts said this would cover an analysis of visitors to the area, including how and on what they spend their money.

The company did not need public money, and those involved with the company had put forward their own money, he added.

Mr Roberts said he would not be discounting the possibility of finding another site to develop in Gwynedd, despite the rather "negative" experience the company had with the council this time.

"We won't give up," he added.

A Gwynedd Council spokesman said the council had decided last year not to offer exclusivity on the site due to "significant shortcomings" in the submitted plans.

"The current suggestion that Adwy Eryri are considering the development of a new business plan to test the viability of such a project in north Wales seems to be a sensible one.

"The council is currently preparing a development plan for the site, and we anticipate that a public consultation on the proposed plans will be held early in the new year," he added.


To put it simply, I can't believe there is a market for a 'real' snow ski slope in this part of north Wales, especially with the impending opening of Chill Factor-e in Manchester.

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Posted: 12/10/2007 10:15:54
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I would imagine they were relying on the 'holiday accommodation' to draw in the crowds/townies Laugh

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Posted: 12/10/2007 11:13:10
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Well less developing and landscaping the mines and quarrys get the better- Penmachno and Allt Ddu have been ruined by landscaping. All of the plans for Dorothea have come to nothing- I prefer the site how it is and hope it doesnt change.

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Posted: 26/02/2009 17:23:06
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I see Glyn Rhonwy is in the news today - Caernarfon & Denbigh Herard.

(for those not familiar with this, it has been a long running (many years) plan to redevelop the site with ideas ranging from artificial ski slopes and holiday parks to business units and mountain bike tracks)

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MAJOR plans to revitalise a disused quarry are revealed today.

Work has started to clear the 225- acre Glyn Rhonwy site at Llanberis to create much needed jobs.

The quarry, abandoned for nearly 50 years, is seen by owners Gwynedd Council as a key development site.

Several ambitious schemes have been put forward in recent years - including a plan for an indoor ski centre - but none have progressed beyond the planning stages.

Now Manchester-based consultants DTZ Ltd have put forward a fresh set of options for how the site could be turned into a mixed-use development.

It could include a cluster of businesses involved in the outdoor leisure sector, along with high quality caravan/camping park. It could also house business units – possibly to provide space for businesses similar to the nearby Siemens medical diagnostic kit plant. There are also plans for residential use on the quarry site.
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Posted: 26/02/2009 17:34:47
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Ah, I saw an excavator up there a couple of weeks ago - I wonder what they're up to?

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Posted: 26/02/2009 17:55:30
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"Work has started to clear the 225- acre Glyn Rhonwy site at Llanberis to create much needed jobs."

I suppose everything will get obliterated then nothing else will happen!

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Posted: 26/02/2009 20:31:44
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The Eden Project in Cornwall is a good example of how to develop a disused quarry, everyone was sceptical about that at the time , Not so sure about ski slopes though!!!

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Posted: 13/06/2012 13:59:14
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A proposal to turn it into a pumped storage scheme.

http://www.quarrybatterycompany.com


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Posted: 13/06/2012 14:15:32
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Interesting, although it would presumably mean a loss of access to the tunnels.

Google map: https://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=208997246074457586678.0004c09d900bb4339f8f7&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=53.132148,-4.173346&spn=0.020598,0.04283&z=14&output=embed

Scoping report: http://www.quarrybatterycompany.com/docs/Glyn_Rhonwy_Scoping_Report_-_November_2011.pdf

Can't help but imagine that the tunnel that connects the workings would need to be lined or piped through: it's a touch on the dodgy side:



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Posted: 13/06/2012 14:21:22
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Vanoord wrote:

Interesting, although it would presumably mean a loss of access to the tunnels.

Google map: https://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=208997246074457586678.0004c09d900bb4339f8f7&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=53.132148,-4.173346&spn=0.020598,0.04283&z=14&output=embed

Scoping report: http://www.quarrybatterycompany.com/docs/Glyn_Rhonwy_Scoping_Report_-_November_2011.pdf

Can't help but imagine that the tunnel that connects the workings would need to be lined or piped through: it's a touch on the dodgy side:



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It was also blocked part way along if you remember the visit?

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Posted: 13/06/2012 14:24:24
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Can't quite recall if it was truly blocked or just that it was above the silliness threshold.

That said, I think I recall a trip there when we got into the same tunnel from both ends, which makes me think that we may not have gone all the way through.

Probably worth a return trip - probably with a static rope for getting down to the pit rather than the climbing rope we used last time Shocked

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Posted: 13/06/2012 14:35:40
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I would have thought a lot of gardening and stabilisation would need to be done to make it a viable pumped storage location. If they were to use the top hole as a reservoir, they could have a pipe going all the way to the hole below Clegyr road, that would give about 700' of head. IP: 194.28.139.160
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Posted: 13/06/2012 14:37:44
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The Scoping Report does seem to suggest the highest pit will be used for water storage, joined to the one below by the tunnel in the photo above.

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Posted: 13/06/2012 21:59:08
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Vanoord wrote:

Can't quite recall if it was truly blocked or just that it was above the silliness threshold.


It was definitely fully blocked, as this photograph of a strinking attired country gentlemen will confrim...



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Vanoord wrote:

That said, I think I recall a trip there when we got into the same tunnel from both ends, which makes me think that we may not have gone all the way through.


I thinnk you imagined that Smile Unless you went back another time. I know for sure I've never seen the outside end of it - would be interested to though.

Vanoord wrote:

Probably worth a return trip - probably with a static rope for getting down to the pit rather than the climbing rope we used last time Shocked


Agreed. It would make a good Thursday night trip.

BertyBasset wrote:

I would have thought a lot of gardening and stabilisation would need to be done to make it a viable pumped storage location. If they were to use the top hole as a reservoir, they could have a pipe going all the way to the hole below Clegyr road, that would give about 700' of head.


Agreed, that tunnel was in a bad state s would need some work. Not beyong the limit of possibility though. And sad as it would be to lose these pits I can see the logic.

Is it perhaps Quarry Battery that have put the metal sheeting up across the entrace to the bomb store I wonder?

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Posted: 14/06/2012 07:44:21
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I believe that the sealing of the bomb store is down to DMM, who are looking at using it for 'urban rescue training' or something along those lines.

There's also a plan to put a large tower on the concrete apron in front of the tunnels, for testing DMM's equipment.

I know someone involved in the plans, will ask next time I see him.

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Posted: 14/06/2012 10:03:22
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Vanoord wrote:

I believe that the sealing of the bomb store is down to DMM, who are looking at using it for 'urban rescue training' or something along those lines.

There's also a plan to put a large tower on the concrete apron in front of the tunnels, for testing DMM's equipment.

I know someone involved in the plans, will ask next time I see him.


Last I heard from DMM was they'd moved the drop-test tower into the factory and dug a pit so they could do longer drops?

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Posted: 14/06/2012 10:38:57
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Possible that the proposed tower at the bomb store may be for rope access training?


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Posted: 14/06/2012 13:02:57
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Possibly, I wonder will the pumped storage plan have any affect on it though or if that would all be higher up the mountain?

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Posted: 14/06/2012 13:32:19
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From looking at the scoping report PDF (see link above), the bomb store won't be affected at all.

The two quarries at the top of the mountain would become the upper reservoirs.

Chwarael Fawr is the uppermost one and would have a 12m dam put on the 'southern' side (i.e. nearest the road that runs at the top of the hill) to expand the capacity.

This would be connected by a tunnel to the Cefn Du pit, which would have a 26m dam on its 'northern' side (i.e. facing Dinorwic), again to expand the capacity.

The water could come out of this via a tunnel, which would emerge from the slate waste below the pit, then run in a pair of 2.5m diameter pipes past the Cook and Ddol workings before it gets to the new turbine house.

It looks like the turbine house might be in the part of the workings used to film 'The Keep', although it doesn't look as if that part is finalised yet - the Scoping Report puts the turbine house in the pit, but the Google map shows it elsewhere (although from the schematics, the pit seems to be the only place to put it).

From there, the water would be discharged into the lower reservoir, Glyn Rhonwy which would also gain a 17m dam, on its 'northern' side. This is the big flooded pit that's behind the bomb store


The archaeological aspects of the development are rather strangely covered as they refer only to recorded historic sites, not to the direct effects of flooding the pits themselves.

Whilst there is obviously going to be some impact, it's not a particularly significant set of workings although I'd suggest that a full photographic record should be made - there may also be some merit in ANMHS suggesting that this should be done / offering to do something about it.

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Posted: 14/06/2012 14:24:28
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The archaeological aspects of the development are rather strangely covered as they refer only to recorded historic sites, not to the direct effects of flooding the pits themselves.

Whilst there is obviously going to be some impact, it's not a particularly significant set of workings although I'd suggest that a full photographic record should be made - there may also be some merit in ANMHS suggesting that this should be done / offering to do something about it.


The archaeological bit will almost certainly be a desk-based assessment, so it'll only cover whatever the person doing this could find. At best, these will be fairly comprehensive and have input from knowledgeable people, at worst they consist of "what came up when I did a google search".

It's certainly worth putting in a comment asking that if it is approved, a recording exercise takes place before any construction work begins. Might be worth having a word with someone from Cadw too.

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