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Tamarmole

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Posted: 30/08/2010 09:32:28
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Marginally mining related - does anybody know what is happening regarding the much vaunted Snailbeach Railway revival - its all gone very quiet. IP: 86.148.14.0
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Posted: 30/08/2010 15:23:33
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I did send them an email about a year ago via their website. I got a very vague response I seem to remember. I think, at the time, several people had questioned whether it was a "genuine" scheme or not. IP: 92.26.183.41
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Posted: 30/08/2010 15:54:49
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Here are a couple of pages about it.

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Posted: 30/08/2010 17:07:44
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bizarre pages! Bored Blink

You do rather get used to the usual 'Collection X' and 'Lew is in Chipping Ongar' conspiracy theories but those are plain wierd, and someone appears to be conducting a vendetta of some sort for reasons best known to himself.

most preserved railway schemes make sense in their own sort of way, given that any railway in any fit state to be preserved went down that route a good many years ago now, and any more recent scheme has, perforce, to either completely rebuild a line that was lifted 60 or 70 years ago, or build a new line on an old standard gauge trackbed; the ffestinog have done it with their customary panache, lines like the L&B and Corris are really only demo tracks for their locos, though.

but quite what anyone is supposed to make of that, who can say?
IP: 212.58.194.50 Edited: 30/08/2010 17:08:47 by derrickman
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Posted: 30/08/2010 17:12:04
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All seems very odd IP: 86.148.14.0
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Posted: 30/08/2010 17:12:51
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The Snailbeach site itself now seems to be down too!

If you think they were odd, the Snailbeach site was no better. All very odd. I seem to remember it was talked about on a forum somewhere too. The general consensus seemed to be it looked and read like a scam except they weren't asking for any money!
IP: 92.26.183.41 Edited: 30/08/2010 17:13:29 by JohnnearCfon
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Posted: 30/08/2010 17:22:28
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I was up at Snailbeach today. While short sections of line are preserved around the mine as is the odd wagon there is no sign of any substantive work being done.
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The voices tell to write this stuff
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Posted: 30/08/2010 17:24:18
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could be a foreign-based tax scam of some kind, or possibly fishing for EU grants?

there really is no way to tell, apart from taking one or other mutually opposed and seemingly uncorroborated statements at face value.
IP: 212.58.194.50 Edited: 30/08/2010 17:25:48 by derrickman
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Posted: 30/08/2010 17:26:15
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That area is seperate from the main SDR mainline though, which is what the SD Company is on about. I believe they are supposed to be starting from the Callow Hill area near the northern end of the line. The area round the loco shed and mine buildings is owned by Shropshire Council and managed by Shropshire Mines Trust. IP: 92.26.183.41
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Posted: 30/08/2010 17:30:31
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I was surprised to see that the railway had surveived into the beginning of the 1960s, and some of its stock longer than that

http://www.search.secretshropshire.org.uk/engine/resource/default.asp?theme=&originator=%2Fengine%2Ftheme%2Fdefault.asp&page=7&records=9610&direction=2&pointer=14110&text=1&resource=9114
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Posted: 30/08/2010 17:38:53
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Posted: 31/08/2010 08:27:26
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JR wrote:

I was up at Snailbeach today. While short sections of line are preserved around the mine as is the odd wagon there is no sign of any substantive work being done.
Smile


The odd wagon as you call it is actualy one we had restored from the drawings and measurements of the base frame, other trucks on site again were obtaineed by the Shropshire Mines Trust for display purposes.
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For the record do not confuse statements by the the railway people who are odd at best with wortk being carried out by ourselves. Which no doubt AN members will vouch for.

We mange the Snailbeach site on behalf of Shropshire Council who actualy own it. There has been no approach by the railway group reinstate anything at Snailbeach. I understand they may have plans for further down the line where there is a quarry owned by Tarmac but where that is going I have no idea

Mike (Chair, Shropshire Mines Trust)
IP: 92.42.56.244 Edited: 31/08/2010 08:31:58 by Moorebooks
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Posted: 31/08/2010 11:50:52
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surfing about, there is a yahoo group called SnailbeachOversight which from context, appears to be a vehicle ( sic ) for the anonymous individual(s) who are conducting the highly vocal criticism of the restoration plans.

the postings by those presenting themselves as the management of the restoration operation seem quite reasonable in tone, although lacking in any identifiable substance or corroboration.

the 'management' certainly wish, or wished, to give the impression of having considerable funds at their disposal, judging by the references to ordering two new steam locomotives, and buying another one ( restored in Asia )which was subsequently sold to a third party by its owners. The 'new' Quarry Hunslets have been variously quoted on narrow gauge fora as selling for between £130,000 and £180,000 - does anyone have any idea of the cost of projects such as, say, the new Corris Railway 'Tatto' class?

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Posted: 31/08/2010 12:00:35
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Its a shame they are so secretive and paranoid. Certainly nothing the SMT have done but they are creating concern for a the local community around Snailbeach

Mike
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Posted: 31/08/2010 12:03:17
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a propos the Corris engine, the last published accounts ( to 31 Dec 2008 ) indicate an expenditure of around £110,000 on the engine

BBC news page reports May 2009 refer to a tender price of £240,000 for the construction of a further engine
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Posted: 31/08/2010 13:21:00
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One of the people involved with "selling" the quarry Hunslets told me the price was £130,000, I would guess you could have extras added which would bump up the price. Also, there would be VAT on top of that figure.

So, if you were thinking of buying one, buy it before January 2011 when VAT goes up!
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Posted: 31/08/2010 14:59:11
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Snailbeach Oversight proves to be a rather interesting yahoo group.

It does not appear to be run by the same individual(s) who have been posting the assorted tirades against the management, insofar as it is possible to judge such things from style and content.

it does appear to contain some material capable of verification, however, and I leave anyone interested to draw any conclusions they may see fit.
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Posted: 02/09/2010 21:01:59
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As I say it all struck me as odd.

They restored a WW1 War Departmet Baldwin at great expense in a works they had set up in the far east, imported it into the uk where no one saw it, sold it and then promptly dropped dead.

I do wonder if it is all just an elaborate hoax.
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Posted: 02/09/2010 21:06:19
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One of the pages I read had a long article written by the son. It went into detail about how it started as a dream then he got his father interested and they set it up between them. I think someone has forgotten whre the dream ended and reality started (if reality did start at all). IP: 92.26.191.185
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Posted: 03/09/2010 08:33:28
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All I can say is you are all welcome at Snailbeach and if you would like an easy ramble around the surface seeing inside locked buildings and two walk in levels let me know.

If you want a more elaborate trip down to the 40yard and further below this can be organised - but don't ask Simon for directions to the site!

Mike
IP: 92.42.56.244 Edited: 03/09/2010 10:49:18 by Moorebooks
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