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Author Clogau "Welsh" Gold
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Clogau "Welsh" Gold
Posted: 09/10/2009 15:00:14
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Clogau Gold have now got a page on Facebook!!

Of more interest to most people might be this link I have been given about reopening Clogau.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/114143

Although I have asked them a couple of questions on Facebook, got an answer to the first one bet I don't get an answer to the second though! Big Grin
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Posted: 09/10/2009 16:14:06
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[web link] to the Facebook page.

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Clogau
Posted: 09/10/2009 16:20:24
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Thanks Vanoord Wink

Interesting how they "forget" the mine was reopened! Oops
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Clogau
Posted: 09/10/2009 17:13:20
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I can't remember where I heard it (may even have been elsewhere on this forum) but as I understand it they can sell gold as Clogau as long as it contains a very small percentage of the real deal. The rest can be your common or garden South African or Russian rubbish (!)

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Clogau
Posted: 09/10/2009 20:38:04
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Never let the truth get in the way of a good story eh Laugh

Saw something similar in the Daily Post about the same time and it said something about the Crown not letting them reopen 'their mine'. Doh, most of it belongs to a local farmer and he only rented it until the Crown booted him out in 1998.

The author needs to do some research before he writes another story that includes methane gas, 128,000 oz in one year, etc.

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Clogau
Posted: 10/10/2009 10:15:40
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Saw a programme re Clogau Gold on a freeview channel a few days ago - just advertising their wares. I think there was something about moving their manufacturing from North Wales to China not so long ago. Nothing much to do with the mine of course. IP: 62.171.194.9
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Posted: 10/10/2009 10:47:34
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It's been made in China/sold from Wales for a few years now. They just sell it under the brand name of 'Clogau'. They have a turnover of over £7M by flogging through QVC etc.

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Posted: 05/11/2009 01:01:38
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Clogau initially (in the 1980s) sold what they stated was pure Welsh gold jewellery; latterly it is stated to contain 'a touch' of Welsh gold.

Rhiannon (based in Tregaron) sell jewellery stated to contain 50% Welsh gold.

Welsh Gold plc used to sell (are they still around?) what they state to be pure Welsh gold and also what they stated to be pure Welsh silver.

What, if any, is/was Cymru-y-Metel's relationship to the above three firms?
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Posted: 05/11/2009 08:17:57
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I have a signet ring ( now sadly worn beyond repair ) made in the 1970s from 'German silver', ie a tin/silver alloy, containing Cornish tin.

It started as a pub conversation... Tolgus Tin was washing tin from tips on a regular basis at the time, Whear Tin was streaming old tips ( mainly selling washed stone for road base ), CSM was moving its mill operations from KEM to the Trevenson site... if you wanted a small quantity of high grade concentrate, it wasn't difficult if you asked the right people.

the tin was smelted by a friend who was doing an 'arts' course of some kind at Cambridge Technical College ( as it was then called ), or more correctly by his group of students, and blended with silver and cast into a ring by a then-lecturer who had ( and indeed still has ) a part-time hobby/business making jewellery and trinkets for the 'New Age' trade Blink

another friend in Cambridge, who was and still is an engraver specialising in repair and refurbishment, did the final polishing and finishing, including engraving it with the CSM crest ( now long worn to illegibility ).

It's long since worn to the point where it is not wearable, but it still lives in a back corner of my front room display cabinet, among the miscellaneous knick-knacks acquired in years of travelling.

its replacement is a silver ring with an insert of Whitby jet. Where the ring itself was made, I couldn't say. There are several jewellers in Whitby variously catering to the Goth/New Age market, but I got it from the one at the bottom of the Abbey steps, which is at least a long-established local firm which buys anything usable the local fossickers bring in, and has a workshop on the premises, so you live in hope....


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Posted: 05/11/2009 21:14:15
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Have you encountered Cornish tin attracting a price premium in the manner of Welsh gold? The latter seems only to have been marketed at a premium from the 1980s. Is Cornish tin sufficiently unusual to make whatever production now occurs merit a premium when presented as jewellery?
Interesting to hear of German silver made from a tin / silver alloy. My metallurgical textbooks only mention the term in connection with Copper / Nickel / Zinc alloys, with one citing compositions in the range 50-60% Cu / 10-30% Ni / 20-35% Zn [W.Gowland & C.O.Bannister “The Metallurgy of the Non-ferrous Metals”, London: Griffin, 4th ed, 1930, p.65], and another citing compositions of “best German silver” as 8 Cu : 3 Ni : 3.5 Zn, and “a more common and inferior variety” as 8 Cu : 2 Ni : 4 Zn [J.A.Phillips “A Manual of Metallurgy or a practical treatise on the chemistry of the metals”, London: Griffin, 1854, p.390]. Very few textbooks seem to mention tin / silver alloys, suggesting that they were of very limited commercial note. The only mention I can readily find is in Percy who paraphrases a French paper: “these alloys have about the same colour as pure silver, are brittle or semi-ductile, and in general hard; that containing 20 per cent silver being nearly as hard as bronze. The smallest trace of tin imparts brittleness to silver... An alloy composed of 48 per cent silver and 52 per cent tin, is flattened under the hammer, and may be rolled into thin sheets, which, however, are ragged at the edges and break with the least effort on attempting to fold them” and adds “Dentists use the filings of an alloy consisting of 60% silver and 40% of tin, in admixture with mercury for stopping teeth.” [J.Percy “Metallurgy: the art of extracting metals from their ores (vol.5): silver and gold: part I”, London: John Murray, 1880, p.183] In connection with this last statement, I read in a modern popular metallurgical book that “In dentistry, silver-mercury amalgam fillings are used.” [A.Street & W.Alexander “Metals in the Service of Man”, 11th ed, London: Penguin, 1998, p.206], and in a weightier book that “Dental amalgams contain tin, silver, copper and zinc and are plasticized with mercury...” [L.W.Codd et al “Materials and Technology: vol.3: metals and ores”, London: Longman, 1970, p.259]. Sounds as if your ring is made from an unusual and seldom used alloy.
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Clogau
Posted: 23/11/2009 17:33:14
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Vaguely relevant to this thread but I see gold has reached an all time high of $1,174 an ounce. IP: 83.148.135.213
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Clogau
Posted: 23/11/2009 17:45:16
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I'd always understood it was made of tin and silver, I suppose I could ask if it contains copper or anything else for malleability, although whether Mike would recall at this stage I couldn't say.

it certainly contains tin, because that was the original idea.

it was made as a project, out of curiosity, using coursework facilities; so I couldn't offer any comment on its commercial viability or otherwise.

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Posted: 23/11/2009 19:50:57
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simonrl wrote:

Vaguely relevant to this thread but I see gold has reached an all time high of $1,174 an ounce.



I suppose we should be grateful Mr Brown sold half of ours off at an all time low of $275 an ounce shouldn't we?
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Posted: 23/11/2009 19:55:21
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jagman wrote:

simonrl wrote:

Vaguely relevant to this thread but I see gold has reached an all time high of $1,174 an ounce.



I suppose we should be grateful Mr Brown sold half of ours off at an all time low of $275 an ounce shouldn't we?


You have to hand it to the man Laugh Although that should be You have to hand it to the man Cursing
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Posted: 23/11/2009 19:59:02
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simonrl wrote:

jagman wrote:

simonrl wrote:

Vaguely relevant to this thread but I see gold has reached an all time high of $1,174 an ounce.



I suppose we should be grateful Mr Brown sold half of ours off at an all time low of $275 an ounce shouldn't we?


You have to hand it to the man Laugh Although that should be You have to hand it to the man Cursing


I have just had an odd thought.

How long would Gordon Brown have lasted in the motor trade?
I was in it off and on for years.
Of course, it’s not his money is it?
I suppose that’s the difference.


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Posted: 23/11/2009 20:04:26
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royfellows wrote:

simonrl wrote:

jagman wrote:

simonrl wrote:

Vaguely relevant to this thread but I see gold has reached an all time high of $1,174 an ounce.



I suppose we should be grateful Mr Brown sold half of ours off at an all time low of $275 an ounce shouldn't we?


You have to hand it to the man Laugh Although that should be You have to hand it to the man Cursing


I have just had an odd thought.

How long would Gordon Brown have lasted in the motor trade?
I was in it off and on for years.
Of course, it’s not his money is it?
I suppose that’s the difference.


The mans natural peak is at college lecturer.
I firmly believe that nobody can be as stupid as him by accident, therefor his actions are deliberate.

With any luck at all one day he will meet his fate dangling from a Whitehall lampost.
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Posted: 23/11/2009 20:05:18
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royfellows wrote:


I have just had an odd thought.

How long would Gordon Brown have lasted in the motor trade?


He seems eminently suited IMHO Devil

Chris.
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Posted: 23/11/2009 20:07:27
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And I thought that you were my friend

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Clogau
Posted: 09/06/2010 10:53:11
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This is funny after their little sale on a sky sales channel where they kept repeating that all of the gold in Wales has been mined and this is your last opportunity to own any!

Somebody must have been underground and replenished it.

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