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Posted: 14/01/2010 15:10:39
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often a problem with the interface between historic and modern.... IP: 217.41.231.182
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Posted: 14/01/2010 17:41:40
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It is also reported in the Daily Post.

[web link]

In that it comments also about police condoning it one hand and criticising it in the other.
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Posted: 14/01/2010 17:55:29
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I was in Manchester today and I'm pretty sure that there were trams running along the streets: have Greater Manchester Police threatened them yet?

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Posted: 14/01/2010 17:59:02
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Or Blackpool? I must admit I can't see what the problem is with the WHR crossing it's not as if rails in the road are anything new! IP: 89.242.174.128
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Posted: 14/01/2010 18:50:26
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Vanoord wrote:

I was in Manchester today and I'm pretty sure that there were trams running along the streets:


Same in several streets between Birmingham and Wolverhampton.
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Posted: 14/01/2010 19:42:38
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I saw someone get a bike stuck in the tram lines outside the station in Tunis two years ago, street theatre worthy of Terry Pratchett! IP: 92.2.106.122
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Posted: 14/01/2010 19:48:36
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derrickman wrote:

I saw someone get a bike stuck in the tram lines outside the station in Tunis two years ago, street theatre worthy of Terry Pratchett!


Happened to me twice at the mill I worked at.
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Posted: 14/01/2010 20:23:47
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This looks to me like a good old fashioned cockup.
If the rails crossed the road at a right angle as with normal level crossing then no problem, but the danger lies in the sweep which partially follows the road but changes direction on the way.
They will have to do some drastic redesign to correct this.

Tram rails tend to follow the direction of the road, a cyclist can get stuck in them but he/she will of course be going in the same direction.

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Posted: 14/01/2010 20:32:24
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They have "constructed" an alternative cycle route which obviates the need to cross the rails other than at 90 degrees when travelling in a westerly direction (which is where I would of thought the greatest danger is). How many cyclists follow it though? It is clearly signed and route painted a pretty red colour too. IP: 89.242.174.128
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Posted: 14/01/2010 20:36:14
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royfellows wrote:

... If the rails crossed the road at a right angle as with normal level crossing ...


There are a number of level crossings where the road crosses the railway at other than a right angle. For instance there's this Network Rail crosing at Harlech [web link]

As it happens, this one has 'No cycling' signs also. I've not heard of cyclists having a problem there.

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Posted: 14/01/2010 20:40:57
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I have just looked at your link Dave, and you are right about this, I am therfore wondering if the problem relates to the 'sweep' in the rails?

Whatever, it looks as though they have a problem there.

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Posted: 14/01/2010 21:42:25
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Morlock wrote:

derrickman wrote:

I saw someone get a bike stuck in the tram lines outside the station in Tunis two years ago, street theatre worthy of Terry Pratchett!


Happened to me twice at the mill I worked at.


trubble at't' miil? Laugh
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Posted: 15/01/2010 09:26:13
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There are lots of level crossings in the UK that cross roads at acute angles and a few on curves, there are miles and miles of tram lines laid in roads certainly in Notts and Sheffield. The Tram lines in Notts certainly cross roads on curves, double reverse curves, angles... all sorts of strange shapes and thats on main roads, side roads etc etc. Never seen a single special provision for cycles and can't recall one on NWR either.
The sweep in Notts is very eratic in some places in relationship to the road direction and thats near the University with lots and lots of cycles... never heard of a problem, I will ask my NET controller friend if this is an issue.

Does the said crossing get static traffic on it as I have heard of this happening with cyclists weaving thru cars, whilst not watching the road surface...?



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Posted: 15/01/2010 11:27:56
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The Sheffield tram lines bend as they cross a major junction on the inner ring road near the university, so there's a fair bit of cycle traffic around but I'm not aware of South Yorks Police suggesting that Supertram would be guilty of corporate manslaughter if a cyclist came to grief on it!

Maybe the Chief Constable of North Wales fancied a change from going after speeding motorists.....

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Posted: 15/01/2010 11:39:58
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I must admit it all sounds a bit of a police drama to me. I'd like to see the risk assessment carried out on the crossing in order that they can make such heavy handed threats... this is nothing special as a crossing from what I can see. Surley some signage and warnings would be adequate, plus the fact this should have all been assessed by highways before the crossing was built... so if I were the WHR I'd chuck the problem back to them asking why they even approved the building of it!

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Posted: 15/01/2010 11:49:23
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Mmm
I have read all of the comments and am now starting to wonder if there is some local politics involved that we dont know about.
I appreciate that north Wales police are not flavour of the month with a lot of people, me included, but it does seem odd.

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Posted: 15/01/2010 12:01:08
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Some background information - I understand that the following statement was issued to the press (including the BBC and Daily Post) by the FR Co on 13th January. (I've picked this up from another website and I can't vouch for it's accuracy.)

Britannia Bridge, Porthmadog

As part of its project to rebuild the Welsh Highland Railway from Caernarfon to Porthmadog, the Ffestiniog Railway was granted rights under a Transport and Works Act to construct the basic railway at this location. The tracks across Britannia Bridge have been in place since June 2008, together with bilingual signs warning road users of railway tracks in the road and advising cyclists to dismount and walk across.

Before any road/rail crossing is brought into public use, the railway company concerned must apply to the Secretary of State for a crossing order. This process requires consultation over the design of the crossing with all statutory bodies including the police and relevant highway authorities.

Over the last four months, informal consultation meetings have been held with the Office of the Rail Regulator and statutory bodies ahead of the formal application for a crossing order which will be submitted during January 2010.

Once this order is granted the work will be completed on the crossing including the road markings and installation of traffic signals. The crossing will then be brought into use. Regular public train services across the bridge will not start until the spring of 2011.

The police wrote to us last summer expressing some concerns over the short tramway section of track across Britannia Bridge. We responded to that letter at the time and believe they were reassured on all the points raised and that the matter is now closed.

Once the railway is complete, around six train movements are expected on a normal day. Each takes less than two minutes and train speed will be limited to five mph as a primary safety measure.

Until the crossing design is finalised and approved the company has covered the rails with tarmac enabling traffic to flow in exactly the same way it did prior to the installation of the track. The completed crossing will make full provision for pedestrians, cyclists and road traffic to interact safely with railway traffic. Cyclists will be diverted via a clearly marked route which takes them safely over the rails.

The company understands that there is also a plan to extend the existing cycle track across the Cob embankment around the back of the Inland Revenue offices and thence to Llyn Bach, avoiding the Britannia Bridge completely.

When essential engineering train movements are required prior to the completion of the crossing, traffic management is put in place whilst the tarmac is removed and the train worked across the bridge. The tarmac is then replaced immediately afterwards.

Ffestiniog and Welsh Highland Railways, January 2010
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Posted: 15/01/2010 12:23:37
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davel wrote:

Cyclists will be diverted via a clearly marked route which takes them safely over the rails.



As I see it, if the divertion does not add to journey time / effort then there should not be an issue.



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Posted: 15/01/2010 12:35:29
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Hi davel
so what were these accidents then if the rails were covered and why the threats from the police etc if its sorted? Or did I miss something? Confused

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Posted: 15/01/2010 12:52:59
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I believe that sometimes (especially when two movements same day) the tarmac was left out in between.

Although as I said earlier (and this seems to have been overlooked in those articles) there are signs erected already and the cycle route is diverted in such a way that the cycles cross the line at 90 degrees, most of the crossing is avoided where it is parallel to the carriageway (in westerly direction). In easterly direction the line simply crosses the road at about 45 degrees like many other "normal" level crossings.
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