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Author 'Moel Fferna SRT Trip' - 28th December '08
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'Moel Fferna SRT Trip' - 28th December '08
Posted: 15/10/2008 12:53:42
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A new event has been added to the Events page.

Event name: Moel Fferna SRT Trip

Date & time: 28/12/2008 at 11:00

Details: Work off the Christmas Turkey with a trip to Moel Fferna!

Moel Fferna is situated to the west of Llangollen and was worked on seven levels. It is notable for the relatively flat vein and the long chambers which span many levels.

The mine also shows some influence of coal mining techniques, with the presence of a 'cog' roof support, believed unique in the slate industry.

Note: SRT is required for this trip as it involves a descent into a shaft and an ascent out. This is around 40' and is not technically challenging, although the start of the ascent is a little tricky. Equipment required is: a harness, ascenders and a descender.

Event added by: Vanoord

Full event: [web link]

The 'cog':



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The way in:



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Remains of an underground incline winder:



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IP: 81.139.119.94 Edited: 23/12/2008 17:32:27 by Vanoord
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New event: 'Moel Fferna SRT Trip' - 28th December '08
Posted: 15/10/2008 20:07:08
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Unfortunately, that's me out, as I've no experience with SRT, etc Crying Crying Crying

Ah well, will just have to watch the Great Escape, maybe McQueen will make it over the fence this time Big Grin

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New event: 'Moel Fferna SRT Trip' - 28th December '08
Posted: 15/10/2008 21:04:10
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robnorthwales wrote:

Unfortunately, that's me out, as I've no experience with SRT, etc Crying Crying Crying

Ah well, will just have to watch the Great Escape, maybe McQueen will make it over the fence this time Big Grin


Don't give in that easy Rob! I did my first SRT trip into Moel Fferna at the weekend with a borrowed harness, it was really easy. I'm sure someone could lend you a spare harness or share one on the trip. I've just put a load of bids on Ebay for kit. Dont miss out on this one, I thought it was a really interesting mine Big Grin
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New event: 'Moel Fferna SRT Trip' - 28th December '08
Posted: 17/10/2008 17:36:32
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Neither I or my dad has done SRT before, but I would love to visit Moel Fferna. Big Grin

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New event: 'Moel Fferna SRT Trip' - 28th December '08
Posted: 18/10/2008 06:10:29
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In the past we have used a mixture with Abseil in and self lifeline on a ladder that works well and allows less technical bodies to have a go.

Why not do it that way

Mike
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New event: 'Moel Fferna SRT Trip' - 28th December '08
Posted: 18/10/2008 12:43:05
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I'm afraid I have to disagree with Mike on this. (Assuming of course that what I call self-lifelining is the same thing as Mike has in mind - i.e. the climber with a single jammer on a stationary rope hanging by the ladder)

Personally, I'm not keen on self-lifelining on ladders for inexperienced persons, particularly on free-hanging pitches. In my experience the usual problem with novices on caving ladders is that the climber does not get their feet vertically under them, puts too much weight on their arms, loses their rhythm and ends up struggling up the ladder a rung at a time, with both hands on the same rung.

if the person is being lifelined, the lifeliner is (or should be) in a position to provide active assistance to the climber. This is even more helpful if the lifeline is attached to the climber in the small of the back, so as to pull them into the ladder. If necessary, additional pull can be improvised at the top of the pitch with a jammer and pulley or crab to give a mechanical advantage when hauling. (I had to do this earlier this year to bring a tired 16st man up a 30' pitch in the Dales - people who know me will be aware I'm a 10st weakling.)

If the climber is self lifelining and they get into difficulties, they are in the same situation as if they had encountered a problem with SRT (with the possibly complicating factor that they may be in an improvised harness or have the jammer attached to a load-bearing waist belt). This means that someone needs to get down to them and then attach a hauling line to them so they can be hauled up the pitch from the top, or else attach to them directly and prussik up with them in tow. Either option will take time to set up, exposes the rescuer to some danger and can transform minor difficulty on a ladder into a major problem.

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New event: 'Moel Fferna SRT Trip' - 28th December '08
Posted: 18/10/2008 13:39:51
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Yes you are right I was not thinking it through - it is easy enough to lifeline and would seem a shame to deprive so many the chance 0of a good trip

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New event: 'Moel Fferna SRT Trip' - 28th December '08
Posted: 22/10/2008 13:12:12
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Just a gentle bump for this trip - and a note that if anyone wishes to brush up on their SRT, there will be a chance towards the end of November - see the thread at this [web link]

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New event: 'Moel Fferna SRT Trip' - 28th December '08
Posted: 22/10/2008 13:23:55
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Hey Vanoord -
One session may not be enough to gain the sufficient competance on SRT

why not compromise and ladder it too?

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New event: 'Moel Fferna SRT Trip' - 28th December '08
Posted: 22/10/2008 13:29:47
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Moorebooks wrote:


Hey Vanoord -
One session may not be enough to gain the sufficient competance on SRT

why not compromise and ladder it too?

Mike


Indeed! Smile

Whilst the aim is to have people who are happy with their own SRT skills, it is intended that we will have a ladder 'just in case'.


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New event: 'Moel Fferna SRT Trip' - 28th December '08
Posted: 22/10/2008 15:10:42
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In which case - the banner needs to be changed??

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New event: 'Moel Fferna SRT Trip' - 28th December '08
Posted: 22/10/2008 15:22:05
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banner?

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New event: 'Moel Fferna SRT Trip' - 28th December '08
Posted: 22/10/2008 21:34:39
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I am pretty much 80% going, just curiopus where do people want to meet? this is one of my fav mines and love going with people who havent been.

Matty

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New event: 'Moel Fferna SRT Trip' - 28th December '08
Posted: 22/10/2008 21:41:54
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meet i would imagine will be at the pub (now derelict) at the bottom of the road on the a5 nice big carpark and long walk for everyone unless your in 4x4s unless otherwise stated by event owner

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New event: 'Moel Fferna SRT Trip' - 28th December '08
Posted: 22/10/2008 21:43:28
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That pub is now derelict!!!!!?????

Would my woosey Rav4 make it? lol.

Matty.

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New event: 'Moel Fferna SRT Trip' - 28th December '08
Posted: 22/10/2008 21:46:20
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I'd imagine that the pub will be it, then decamp into vehicles that can get us to the legal limit for vehicles, which isn't too far away from the mine.

I think I've got a Freelander up that far, so a RAV should cope. Failing that, I reckon Davel can drag you out Wink

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New event: 'Moel Fferna SRT Trip' - 28th December '08
Posted: 22/10/2008 21:47:56
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dont think your rav4 would make it to the top mate last time you were with us you were in a v8 landy wernt you... bless you can always try if you want im sure someone will tow you up Laugh only joking matty i have to envy your 4x4 as i dont have one you could always get Jagman to drive it, he'll get it up there and in the mine then out again

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New event: 'Moel Fferna SRT Trip' - 28th December '08
Posted: 23/10/2008 17:26:58
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Banner - no longer calling it an exclusively SRT trip if a ladder is available?

Cheers

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New event: 'Moel Fferna SRT Trip' - 28th December '08
Posted: 23/10/2008 17:42:31
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Moorebooks wrote:

Banner - no longer calling it an exclusively SRT trip if a ladder is available?

Cheers

Mike


Ahhhhhh....! Smile

It's an SRT trip with a ladder present in case of difficulties, but it would be preferable if it weren't needed!

Basically, it's possible to get out of Moel Fferna with a minimal amount of SRT experience, but the bottom of a 30' hole is not the best place to learn from scratch!

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New event: 'Moel Fferna SRT Trip' - 28th December '08
Posted: 23/10/2008 19:00:24
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getting up there should be fine in any car but its a good idea to limit the number of cars anyway.
rigging a deviation (sling and crab) off the tree makes life a lot easier as instead of bashing into the sides it becomes a free hang Smile.
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