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Ancient Egyptian drill holes question
Posted: 28/11/2019 09:08:14
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Ok, so I'm having this debate with a pyramidiot and the drill holes keep surfacing every now and then.

It's kinda hard to argue to this specific argument because i can't find almost any scientific conclusions about stone drilling/cutting in Egypt except some pretty vague texts about bronze cylinders/saws and sand. Ok, there are a couple of vieos of reenactment of sawing a lime stone with bronze saw and sand but what about driling holes and especially about granite working?

I don't doubt that they probably used the same approach everywhere but shouldn't there be experimental archaeologyst reenacting these theories? And if there aren't, then why? What seems to be the problem?

Another thing I dont quite get is the quality of the holes, especially in granite, because this is the material repeatedly pointied out. So, we are shown those nice, even shiny holes, some of them with radial grooves that are supposed to prove that they were cut with a step of approximately 2 mm or something like that which should have been impossible by conventional methods.

Well, of course i doubt that the grooves are spiral which the sould be if they were to indicate the drilling speed and step. Has anybody studied them and pointed out if they are just radial or spiral? If radial, i could explain them very simply: after every certain time or drilling depth the workers replaced the old abrasive (sand) with the fresh one. Now the fresh one, being a better cutter either made a wider or narrower cut (not sure yet, which one; I suspect that in time the sand was powderized and got additional volume from both granite and saw itself and it started to cut these wider sections in drill holes because of the expanding volume but who knows (well, really - I want to know who knows, if anybody; that's why I'm here!)) and when it was worn out, it made the opposite cut. But if they really ARE spiral, then we're ********** i guess. I don't see an appropriate explanation for this.
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Of course, even if the secret of these holes remains a secret forever, it doesn't prove that the aliens or ancient hi-tec civilization did it. It's obvious to rational people that if they had a tecnology to powercut granit as we are able do it only nowadays, they must have had other abilities too! It's not like you have a knowledge of power-cutting and you build the whole pyramid with hi-tec tools but you transport the stones on papyrus rafts and break them from quarry with bronze tools and live in mud huts and...well...in general wont leave behind any hard evidence of this at all. You know what I mean... Pyramidiocy is nothing else than a version of a God of Gaps.

But i'll wait for your answers to my questions. Thank you!
IP: 68.183.29.86 Edited: 09/12/2019 10:40:41 by Nelbel
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Posted: 28/11/2019 09:44:10
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Open your eyes firstly to the fact there is no such thing as a 'pyramidiot' and secondly to the fact there are masses of ancient granite stoneworks around the world revealing that the ability to work granite is ancient. The Bible says such skills were revealed to humans by Satan's fallen angels but you don't want to hear that.
The pyramids were built before The Flood 4,350 years ago which is why on being first opened and explored they were found to be wet and have encrustations of salt. The Sphinx shows perfect example of erosion by debris laden fast water.
You are obviously too young to have even seen it happen but until quite recently stone was sawn by using a wavy edge iron or steel blade and a spray of sand and water. There was such a huge saw in a stoneyard by Huddersfield market about 57 years ago. I moved away about 2 years later so don't know when it was scrapped and the yard closed.
If a straight blade and sand can cut granite then obviously a round cutter will also wear granite away.
Such round cutter can be solid bar or tube and if soft copper or bronze then sand can be embedded into it to make a drill a la today's diamond drills.
Try an experiment with a piece of granite and a rotating drill made of flat copper bar. Rotate the bar while dripping sand and water on the tip and see if the bar wears away or does cut a hole.
I have cut holes in quartz with just a small jewellers screwdriver and a drop of water. It's slow but the steel does wear the quartz eventually. The hole drills faster as quartz dust accummulates as presumably the quartz cuts the quartz.
Sand is just quartz.
I'm sure I once saw a programme about primitive tribesman making holes in rock with a wood stick, sand and water.
As a matter of interest you might study the ancient beads of hard stone, glass and shell and ponder what sort of fine drill was available that would cut such hard beads?
I spent a lot of years machining and grinding hard metals but wouldn't like to try make a string of hard stone beads.
IP: 148.252.129.1 Edited: 28/11/2019 09:44:43 by r1xlx
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Posted: 28/11/2019 13:58:02
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Moderation: Blink

Feel free to discuss stone cutting in ancient times and probably there will be someone registered here who knows a lot about it.

Dissolve into strange theories or insults and use of the forum to do so won't be an option any more.


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Posted: 28/11/2019 15:15:30
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it is only a strange theory to fools who think themselves evolved from monkeys.
get a bag of monkey nuts and go swing through the trees.
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Posted: 28/11/2019 15:56:33
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r1xlx wrote:

it is only a strange theory to fools who think themselves evolved from monkeys.
get a bag of monkey nuts and go swing through the trees.


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Posted: 28/11/2019 16:28:09
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r1xlx wrote:

it is only a strange theory to fools who think themselves evolved from monkeys.
get a bag of monkey nuts and go swing through the trees.


No thank you, my ancestors got their act together and evolved so I wouldn't have to swing through trees.

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Posted: 28/11/2019 17:15:52
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And monkeys don't swing through trees, that's gibbons and Orangutans. IP: 87.115.189.142
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Posted: 28/11/2019 21:46:32
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Egypt has 5000 year old mud brick tombs that show no evidence of a global flood. Neither do their elaborate contents such as wood carvings, fabrics and paintings. IP: 122.57.206.66
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Posted: 28/11/2019 21:56:25
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Please, we do not need this sort of thing on here! Neither beliefs, nor religion nor politics, nor UFOs - there are plenty of other places for such things (not the Pub either)...

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Posted: 29/11/2019 08:01:20
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dont feed the troll........

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=309146

perhaps a moderator might lock or remove this thread?

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Posted: 29/11/2019 08:30:28
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legendrider wrote:

dont feed the troll........

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=309146

perhaps a moderator might lock or remove this thread?

MARK


Well sleuthed Mark,

Where's rufenig's tin-foil hat when you need it? Shocked
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Posted: 29/11/2019 09:24:22
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I actually quite enjoyed that thread on the Skeptics forum. I've never heard the term Woo before. Smile IP: 82.24.19.176
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Posted: 29/11/2019 09:25:07
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legendrider wrote:

perhaps a moderator might lock or remove this thread?

MARK


I'd vote remove, just drivel and craziness Thumb Down

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Posted: 29/11/2019 10:34:21
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Dr J wrote:

legendrider wrote:

perhaps a moderator might lock or remove this thread?

MARK


I'd vote remove, just drivel and craziness Thumb Down


Seconded - which is a shame as ancient egyptian stuff is pretty fascinating without the nonsense.

As an aside I quite like monkey nuts and I'd love to be able to swing through the trees Tarzan-like. I tried it on the lianas in Borneo, I just got a lot of bugs dropping on me.
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Posted: 29/11/2019 11:55:04
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"Hat making in West Cornwall" might be a suitable subject for a dissertation..... IP: 176.252.70.213
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I thought they only did Yoghurt Weaving there, they have obviously branched out into more remunerative pastimes. IP: 88.145.158.218
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Posted: 29/11/2019 16:38:39
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Woo, pass the tinfoil hats round!!

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Posted: 29/11/2019 20:56:37
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RJV wrote:

I actually quite enjoyed that thread on the Skeptics forum. I've never heard the term Woo before. Smile

Going even further off topic (sorry folks!), you might like some of the stuff here: https://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/ , I'm particularly fond of the alternative therapy picker flowchart....

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Posted: 29/11/2019 23:46:57
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To be fair, his 'Top Twats' is/are very good. IP: 86.161.121.18
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Posted: 30/11/2019 09:17:58
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BertyBasset wrote:

To be fair, his 'Top Twats' is/are very good.


Yes they made me chuckle.

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