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Video : A Dangerous Shale Reccie In The Old Dragon Mine : Abandoned Mine Explore #28
Posted: 28/06/2019 19:08:21
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In this one, we go and reccie a mine to see what state it is in before doing a future through trip. Jono has not been in a shale environment this rough before so a good opportunity to see how he likes it.

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Video : A Dangerous Shale Reccie In The Old Dragon Mine : Abandoned Mine Explore #28
Posted: 30/06/2019 13:47:40
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Old Dragon Mine where is that ? Do you mean Red Dragon Mine?

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Video : A Dangerous Shale Reccie In The Old Dragon Mine : Abandoned Mine Explore #28
Posted: 30/06/2019 15:26:56
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That's definitely not Red Dragon Mine. IP: 86.139.18.149
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Video : A Dangerous Shale Reccie In The Old Dragon Mine : Abandoned Mine Explore #28
Posted: 30/06/2019 15:41:32
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UK Abandoned Mine Explores wrote:

In this one, we go and reccie a mine to see what state it is in before doing a future through trip. Jono has not been in a shale environment this rough before so a good opportunity to see how he likes it.

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I suggest these fools who post nonsense names be banned Ban MeBan MeBan Me
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Posted: 30/06/2019 16:11:06
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Read the note at the beginning of the video IP: 5.68.234.27
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Video : A Dangerous Shale Reccie In The Old Dragon Mine : Abandoned Mine Explore #28
Posted: 30/06/2019 16:58:23
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RetroGamerVX wrote:

Read the note at the beginning of the video


And why would I bother looking at it when it seems a work of fiction.

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Posted: 30/06/2019 17:55:50
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Mine names are changed at the request of the relivent authorities due to public safety and mine preservation IP: 129.234.0.9
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Posted: 30/06/2019 19:15:51
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RetroGamerVX wrote:

Mine names are changed at the request of the relivent authorities due to public safety and mine preservation


Relevant Authorities?

You have permission of the Mineral Owners?

Considering all the books and Grid References there in that is even more of a Jackanory tale. If the Mines Inspector is involved then it becomes a working mine and all that involves?

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Posted: 30/06/2019 19:15:57
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RetroGamerVX wrote:

Mine names are changed at the request of the relivent authorities due to public safety and mine preservation


Relevant Authorities?

You have permission of the Mineral Owners?

Considering all the books and Grid References there in that is even more of a Jackanory tale. If the Mines Inspector is involved then it becomes a working mine and all that involves?

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Posted: 30/06/2019 19:54:20
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I thought I should watch this right through, and give an opinion based on content rather than title and perception. I am a massive non-fan of GoPro videos. They don't make for good viewing and at times I have to stop watching before I start feeling nauseous! Calling a trip an "explore" is also a massive turn-off, but that's just a personal dislike (and to be fair that term is only in your AditNow name, not the video). So I watched it and have a fairly good idea where this is, although it's well over 25 years since I was in this area. The repetitive shots of adit-walking are not necessary - and could have been edited down to about half the length it is now. Considering the content and purpose of the video, 10 mins would have been adequate and would have made the film a lot more viewable. It was good to see one of these mines again, although I imagine there may be videos out there more matching my preferences. Thank goodness there wasn't excessive use of inappropriate and boringly overbearing music, in an attempt to create a false sense of drama - that's a good mark in my view. Was there any factual and historical stuff? Yes - I like that, but again my preference is for commentary rather than sub-titles. Does it make me want to "like" or "subscribe"? Sorry - no. What did I like the most? I did like the closing portrait photo - a good composition with a genuine pose.

And the title? Well, if it hadn't been for the criticism I probably would have given it a miss, as it's just silly, but I thought the video deserved some proper comment.

Please don't take anything I have written as anything more than my own subjective commentary on your work.
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Posted: 01/07/2019 14:20:19
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I've had a stab at one or two underground videos. FWIW I'd agree with keeping the adit splishy sploshy walking to a minimum - or perhaps use that footage to add some commentary to keep the interest up. I liked the fact you didn't give a real name or location.

It is difficult to get good gopro type footage. I think to get a really good result you have to go in with the sole purpose of making a video rather than it being secondary to another aim but this does make for a slow and boring trip for any companions who are not interested.

I also think 10 minutes is about right, co-incidentally it's also about the maximum acceptable time to spend in the bog at work.

Of course if you've seen my efforts you may think who the hell am I to be offering advice - which would be a perfectly understandable position to take.
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Posted: 01/07/2019 14:45:04
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I knew where it was within a few minutes, been there enough.

A good trip for fish.

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Video : A Dangerous Shale Reccie In The Old Dragon Mine : Abandoned Mine Explore #28
Posted: 01/07/2019 14:58:16
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Back again. Just watched some of it, but short on time with NAMHO. Its not bad, better than earlier ones.
Best videos on here in my opinion are Paul Marvin's.
The rescue practice at Cwmystwyth is a gem as well. It keeps moving and its real not posed, as indeed are yours.

Re your email about 'my mines'.
If you have BCA insurance welcome to all but note need to register for those under the CAL remit.
No issue about videoing and naming the mines, better than "Mine of death" nonsense that could cause trouble for me.
Beware upper workings in Cwmystwyth Lefel Fawr, its an area only for the experienced, been one accident already.

Lefel Fawr itself is a pussy, TV crew been in as will probably know.

Oh yes, and please stay clear for the next week or so, big event going on.

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Posted: 01/07/2019 15:34:43
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Yep, I reckoned I knew it from the title frame, clinched it for defo at the Bang Store. 'Tis a dark, wet, shaley hole to be sure, I'm sure Leif will agree Wink

I make no comment regarding the ethics of posting this kind of material; as I've said in the past, I was inducted into a very secretive world in mine exploration and old habits die hard I guess.

In the future this kind of documentary record could well prove valuable as deterioration progressively robs us of these locations. How I wish I'd seen never-made films such as "Burtree Pasture, a dry stroll up the Horse Level" and "Lodgesyke to Manorgill Through Trip"

sic transit gloria mundi

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Posted: 01/07/2019 16:05:56
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You should have booked in to NAMHO and entered the bright, new, optimistic world of Cambrian Mines Trust

Wales the world whee you can carry 7K lumen headtorches on open display without being surrounded by armed police.

You can look into entrances in broad daylight without being arrested for "Loitering in the vicinity of a disused mine with intention to go underground"

Its amazing that my event has not been inundated with people from Cornwall
Laugh

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Posted: 01/07/2019 16:31:36
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I certainly would agree, Mark.
It’s a wonderful mine though, ey?!

Leif.

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Video : A Dangerous Shale Reccie In The Old Dragon Mine : Abandoned Mine Explore #28
Posted: 01/07/2019 16:56:21
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Neck-deep water, rotting timber, crawling on the roof.

What's not to like?? Thumbs Up

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Posted: 02/07/2019 12:12:21
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All the hallmarks of a decent trip, Mark...

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Video : A Dangerous Shale Reccie In The Old Dragon Mine : Abandoned Mine Explore #28
Posted: 02/07/2019 16:48:52
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Moorebooks wrote:

UK Abandoned Mine Explores wrote:

In this one, we go and reccie a mine to see what state it is in before doing a future through trip. Jono has not been in a shale environment this rough before so a good opportunity to see how he likes it.

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I suggest these fools who post nonsense names be banned Ban MeBan MeBan Me


I agree to a certain degree that clickbait rubbish like this should not be encouraged on an archival site such as this, there are plenty of other places in interweb land for them to be posted.
This is even more relevant in light of the ongoing problems that posts such as these seem to attract from braindead thrill seeking willy wavers up and down the country!
Perhaps a pole on peoples thoughts could be arranged?Smile

https://www.facebook.com/notes/derbyshire-caving-association/why-mines-are-secured-against-entry-and-why-you-should-help-keep-it-that-way/440630603341251/

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Posted: 02/07/2019 17:41:58
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Just read it. Interesting and quite relevant in light of recent issues.

However "A landowner has a legal obligation to make old mines safe from public entry. " is technically incorrect in a general sense.

There is a legal obligation to prevent accidental entry, and there is the issue of Statutory Nuisance relevant to a shaft near a public path. However, whether a shaft falls into the 'statutory nuisance' category is the discretion of the local authority. Some authorities are remarkably lax.


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