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Sir Francis Level
Posted: 20/03/2019 18:04:40
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Hi, planning a trip down Sir Francis. Not been down for a few years and have heard rumours about lower water levels and bad air. How true are these? Is it still passable or is air quality extremely poor now?

Thanks in advance.
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Sir Francis Level
Posted: 20/03/2019 21:17:15
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Was on the trip there last June, air was fine. Water was chest deep. Must go back! IP: 79.66.65.245
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Posted: 21/03/2019 10:52:10
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There some years ago with an oxygen meter - the air felt fine but the oxygen did drop below 16.5%. Suspect that the oxygen level is often low but travelling slowly through the water it is not noticeable. IP: 82.29.76.145
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Sir Francis Level
Posted: 23/03/2019 20:30:22
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Sir Francis Level featured on the BBC earlier this year on the regional "Inside Out" programme. Paul Rose (Presenter) was taken by a group (cave rescue?) who had a meter (oxygen?) with them. The party had waded through the water and the alarm on the meter went off and the trip was aborted. Rather annoying for them, as not much further to go to reach engine chamber.
I organised a trip for PDMHS way back in 1996 and we reached the engine chamber, very impressive. I had taken my camera and fortunately got some great pictures (slide film). An excellent trip, well worth the long wade through the deep water.
Hope you have a good trip.
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Posted: 23/03/2019 22:43:23
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I was walking up that way a few weeks ago, and there were warning signs posted about poor air quality, one at the main entrance, and one at the red hatch. There was a name and mobile number of the guy who posted the signs, but can't remember the name now ??

Is the trip open to anyone if you don't mind me asking ??

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Graeme.
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Posted: 23/03/2019 23:14:42
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The name on the signs was Pete Roe IP: 95.148.150.25
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Posted: 24/03/2019 15:46:53
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As a newbie......is Pete local to the area, or a regular down the mine or of the group ?? When I was walking up there I was wondering why he would put his name and mobile number on the warning signs for all to see ?? IP: 82.15.144.110
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Posted: 24/03/2019 21:36:40
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As a newbie......is Pete local to the area, or a regular down the mine or of the group ?? When I was walking up there I was wondering why he would put his name and mobile number on the warning signs for all to see ??

Possibly Pete Roe of Swaledale Mountain Rescue, but that's just a guess.

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Posted: 25/03/2019 00:02:16
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rikj wrote:



Possibly Pete Roe of Swaledale Mountain Rescue, but that's just a guess.



After doing a bit of research, that sounds like a good shout........thanks for that. Smile
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Posted: 25/03/2019 02:45:02
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good suggestBig Grin IP: 144.202.58.138
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Sir Francis Level
Posted: 27/03/2019 23:11:35
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The reason the air quality has dropped is that it has been caused by the improvement of air flow in another mine. This mine has had a recent dig and been opened up hence the air flow situation. That's as much as I'm allowed to say!

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Posted: 28/03/2019 11:01:58
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Always somewhere I've wanted to see but not got around to yet. Has the air quality dropped to a point where visits are difficult/inadvisable? IP: 195.171.131.2
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Posted: 28/03/2019 12:55:58
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pringledude wrote:

The reason the air quality has dropped is that it has been caused by the improvement of air flow in another mine. This mine has had a recent dig and been opened up hence the air flow situation. That's as much as I'm allowed to say!


Ha........I've noticed there's a lot of secret squirrel stuff going on in underground exploring forums !! Wink

I would have thought that with all of us having similar interests, it would all be one big happy family. It appears not ??

I wonder why some people can know there's a dig going on, but others can't ?? What's to be gained or lost ?? Surely, it's a benefit to all ??
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Posted: 28/03/2019 13:09:35
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Big-G wrote:

[quote I would have thought that with all of us having similar interests, it would all be one big happy family. It appears not ??

I wonder why some people can know there's a dig going on, but others can't ?? What's to be gained or lost ?? Surely, it's a benefit to all ??


Access to a sensitive site could be lost due to third party 'complications'.Wink
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Posted: 28/03/2019 13:32:52
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Morlock wrote:


Access to a sensitive site could be lost due to third party 'complications'.Wink


Very diplomatic Morlock Wink
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Posted: 28/03/2019 16:25:40
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Big-G wrote:

[quote I would have thought that with all of us having similar interests, it would all be one big happy family. It appears not ??

I wonder why some people can know there's a dig going on, but others can't ?? What's to be gained or lost ?? Surely, it's a benefit to all ??


There are several potential problems
1. A landowner may be happy to give people a chance to excavate and record findings, but not want loads of the general public going on their land.
2. The dig might be totally illicit. The landowner might not know about it (or want it to happen), and the people doing the dig are hoping to connect to, or establish a connection with, or dig out another opening into (that opening being on other land, owned by someone more open to such things).

In either of those cases, the influx of people going for a nosey could lead to bulldozers or lots of steelwork

That's 2 possible cases. There are loads of other possibilities
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Sir Francis Level
Posted: 28/03/2019 20:50:59
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In my opinion the landowner has a lot to loose and nothing to gain by allowing groups of people to carry out digging on their land.
If you look at it logically, if an accident occurs, then the land owner could find themselves likely to face some sort of retribution.
Hence, digs that are undertaken are always carried out secretely, and I for one say good luck to these people, for how are new finds to be made otherwise?
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Posted: 28/03/2019 21:16:24
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I was thinking of Gunnerside in particular, as it’s the theme of the thread. I wouldn’t have thought Gunnerside Gill belonged to anyone ?? And I would have thought that anything underground wouldn’t belong to a landowner ?? But hey-ho, I’m a newbie and don’t know much about underground adventures Wink IP: 86.154.42.66 Edited: 28/03/2019 21:17:19 by Big-G
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Posted: 28/03/2019 21:27:17
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I suspect someone will comment shortly regarding land and mineral rights ownership.

Have a rummage through this lot.

https://whoownsengland.org/2018/08/12/revealed-the-aristocrats-and-city-bankers-who-own-englands-grouse-moors/
IP: 86.153.161.171 Edited: 28/03/2019 21:32:11 by Morlock
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Sir Francis Level
Posted: 28/03/2019 21:45:44
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Robert Warren Miller Owns Gunnerside estate I would hazard a guess that includes Gunnerside Gill IP: 2.31.39.92
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