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Posted: 09/04/2008 20:52:51
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bagged a day off work to do another visit to middlecleuth second sun vein to find the arching has collapsed before browns sump about 50 ft past the bend with the crawl,there was a very small gap at roof height but the arching next to the fall looked like its going too so i stayed clear,needs a braver man than me to dig it out.it was ok 3 weeks ago last time i went down there.

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Posted: 10/04/2008 10:11:59
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Aye.. well it always looked a bit dodgy along that section of passage [web link]

Shame its finally gone though.

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Posted: 10/04/2008 11:20:47
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Any thoughts on getting some group of us sorted to open and stabilise this?? Did you take any pics of it Bograt? IP: 79.66.26.137
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Posted: 10/04/2008 21:29:31
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strangely,it never occured to me to photo it,but its not a complete blockage but ill be up again in a couple of weeks so ill see if its the same and photo it,but even stranger is last month i photoed a bulge that was gravity defying and i think its that that fell.


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IP: 81.106.3.139 Edited: 10/04/2008 21:33:25 by Boggy
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Posted: 13/04/2008 21:52:04
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Took a wander into Smallcleugh on Friday. The fall has come from the righthand wall (looking inbye). It was passable but needs some attention as there is also a bad section of unstable roof waiting to come down. Fortunately the wall collapse shouldn't go much further as there is a joint in the arching very close.
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Posted: 13/04/2008 22:36:19
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Been in today- a bit rough. It'll need some care patching it up. BTW - is it just me or are there more of the furry crystals on the rock than usual. IP: 82.18.233.190 Edited: 13/04/2008 22:39:28 by Monty Stubble
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Posted: 13/04/2008 22:56:44
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i noticed that too,i went in via the hard crosscut and the walls floor and everywhere were full of crystals in the horse level and north end flats,i couldnt help but walk on them.

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Posted: 13/04/2008 22:58:01
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Funny you should say that about the 'furry crystals' I thought that as well. IP: 84.92.35.248
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Posted: 14/04/2008 08:06:59
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Getting spooky, in Feb we went through the SC flats and out via Northend flats and Hard XC. Past the route to the incline flats everything was covered in crystals, they are epsonite. Never seen them in this area before.

I was under the impression that they are normally found in areas with little traffic / air flow ??
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Posted: 14/04/2008 13:31:02
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I think you'll find its almost the same mechanism as we deal with in old houses when you get salts coming out of old plaster. More likely to be due to a wet winter, now drying out, and drawing salts through the rock. The better the ventilation, the more will form as salts are drawn to the surface. Its a reaction of magnesium in the limestones and shales, with the sulphides in them (pyrite, galena, sphalerite etc) forming magnesium sulphate. I remember my mum finding a lovely bit of it once, many years ago when she came down Smallclough with me as about a 7 year-old. She took it outside and it was raining. By the time we got to the car, she was holding an amorphous lump of rock, minus crystals!!

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Posted: 15/04/2008 17:55:52
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I'm going to be up in Nent weekend of the 26/27 April, would anyone be interested in meeting up on the Sunday (27th), to have a go at clearing the fall / putting some supports in.

I have various length offcuts of 2x6" joists, so wood is not prob.

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Posted: 15/04/2008 18:27:38
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Why dont you get in touch with CAT, say Sheila Barker or someone?

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Posted: 12/05/2008 18:30:07
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Visited the fall on 13th May. The arching and the pack immediately above has collapsed due to ground movement. Some cracking of the arch stone happening here - prob due to the movement of the stope below. Pulled some of the loose roof in and measured up sizes for timber. Can supply timber but need a group to carry in - any offers?

Noticed that a large piece of roof slab ( 2X grand piano) is wedged a metre off the floor just north of the SCXVein/MC1stS west Junction.
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Posted: 12/05/2008 20:04:52
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Depending when you want to go but I'd be happy to carry some timber in. IP: 88.110.103.238
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Posted: 12/05/2008 21:57:36
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Im sure many people don't know, but there is a dedicated thread for noting collapses etc, can be found here ... [web link]
Feel free to add the details of this collapse there! Thumbs Up

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Posted: 13/05/2008 06:55:30
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Hi,

I am up on the weekend of 24/25th May. I can free Sunday 25th to help, if that fitted in with everyone else.

I have some timber as well (2x6") various lengths, but it is untreated.

Mr Mike.
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Posted: 13/05/2008 20:51:29
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Saturday 24th would be fine. Do I propose a time? How about 1030am in the mine yard, next to the woodpile? IP: 81.104.117.160
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Posted: 13/05/2008 21:08:09
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I am doing a course for NPHT on the 24th, any chance you could do the 25th?? IP: 79.66.11.42
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Posted: 17/05/2008 17:29:27
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Doing a Northern Rocks trip on the 25th! Try for another date? IP: 81.104.117.160
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Posted: 18/05/2008 07:53:32
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I'm free on friday (23rd may) night from about 16.30 could get some timber in then.
As long as you clearly mark what you want taking, happy to take it and just leave it there for you, so there's less to carry if you can get in to do something with it shortly after that?
I'm already committed the rest of that W/E though.
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