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Posted: 22/07/2016 09:42:48
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That is very nice indeed. Where is it?

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Posted: 22/07/2016 10:40:15
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Lovely isn't it? It was at an auction house down near Bristol and a few of the fellas at work found it for sale. It was more expensive than my education Oh My God

Rather than see some posh Horay-Henry in Kent snap it up as an occasion-chair for the visiting grand children in his delightfully manicured inherited country manor, I bought it.

So it's on its way back to North Wales where it belongs Smile

It's quite an honour to be a custodian of it, I need to give a bit of thought of how to have it accessible. I'd quite like to see it in a museum dedicated to the culture and heritage of Welsh quarries.
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Posted: 22/07/2016 10:49:30
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Nice Thumbs Up

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Posted: 22/07/2016 10:50:43
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the chair has a particular nice color /patina, using it rather than polishing it, will see it glow in its full color.

i have a similar carver some 80 years older, from north wales ,not a bards chair, its used and admired by myself and many others who visit us.

theres another for sale on feebay right now ,not as well proportioned as the one here but a festiniog bards carver

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-Antique-19th-Century-Welsh-Ornately-Carved-Oak-Eisteddfod-Bardic-Chair-1883-/232010552199
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Posted: 22/07/2016 18:04:27
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Nice one Miles, congratulations on getting something of local historic value back up here Thumbs UpThumbs Up

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Posted: 22/07/2016 18:22:39
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I cannot wait to see this! Nice one Miles.

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Posted: 22/07/2016 18:37:38
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B Clarke wrote:

the chair has a particular nice color /patina, using it rather than polishing it, will see it glow in its full color.

i have a similar carver some 80 years older, from north wales ,not a bards chair, its used and admired by myself and many others who visit us.

theres another for sale on feebay right now ,not as well proportioned as the one here but a festiniog bards carver

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-Antique-19th-Century-Welsh-Ornately-Carved-Oak-Eisteddfod-Bardic-Chair-1883-/232010552199


Yeah, I did see the other one. Although it's cheaper than the Cwmorthin one I couldn't run to both and the Cwmorthin one is nicer (plus I'm rather fond of the place).

Nice to know you have one too, and use it! I'm too scared to sit in this one frankly, or let anyone else. Or do you think it is better (carefully) used?
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Posted: 22/07/2016 18:44:30
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Nice one Miles, congratulations on getting something of local historic value back up here Thumbs UpThumbs Up


Thanks Smile

I wish I knew more about the man who won it, 130 years ago.

In 1886 Cwmorthin was suffering, having recently had the massive fall in the back vein from which it failed to recover. In fact, liquidation was only two years away when this chair was made. It amazes me though that this chair must have cost a lot to carve in its day, it can't have been cheap, showing that even when the chips were down, the Eisteddfod was seen of being of such high importance as to spare no expense on it. For the fairly humble life of the Victorian quarryman, this chair must have been a very special thing to win.
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Posted: 22/07/2016 19:04:40
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RAMPAGE wrote:

B Clarke wrote:

the chair has a particular nice color /patina, using it rather than polishing it, will see it glow in its full color.

i have a similar carver some 80 years older, from north wales ,not a bards chair, its used and admired by myself and many others who visit us.

theres another for sale on feebay right now ,not as well proportioned as the one here but a festiniog bards carver

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-Antique-19th-Century-Welsh-Ornately-Carved-Oak-Eisteddfod-Bardic-Chair-1883-/232010552199


Yeah, I did see the other one. Although it's cheaper than the Cwmorthin one I couldn't run to both and the Cwmorthin one is nicer (plus I'm rather fond of the place).

Nice to know you have one too, and use it! I'm too scared to sit in this one frankly, or let anyone else. Or do you think it is better (carefully) used?


As long as all the joints are good, use it,press down with both hands in the centre of the arms turn slightly to the right then left, while pressing, thats the standard test for the joints you will know by the feel if anything loose,

if any joints are loose it will need to be reglued and pegged, the pegs should by now be just slightly proud of the legs, thats normal,

you will only add to the chair by using it, it will friction polish by use, you could use a soft neutral bees wax in parts that dont get rubbed, dont clean any dark areas eg in corners, thats part of its history/patina ,

use it, enjoy it, the man that made it would be proud,

sympathetically restoring furniture for 30 years.
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Posted: 22/07/2016 19:14:22
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It's quite an honour to be a custodian of it, I need to give a bit of thought of how to have it accessible. I'd quite like to see it in a museum dedicated to the culture and heritage of Welsh quarries.


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Posted: 22/07/2016 19:33:58
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A thing of joy and wonder. Thumbs UpThumbs UpThumbs UpThumbs Up IP: 86.136.44.103
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Posted: 22/07/2016 21:31:51
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Brilliant stuff!
Very well done indeed Mr M.

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Posted: 22/07/2016 21:45:19
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RAMPAGE wrote:

Llion wrote:


Nice one Miles, congratulations on getting something of local historic value back up here Thumbs UpThumbs Up


Thanks Smile

I wish I knew more about the man who won it, 130 years ago.

In 1886 Cwmorthin was suffering, having recently had the massive fall in the back vein from which it failed to recover. In fact, liquidation was only two years away when this chair was made. It amazes me though that this chair must have cost a lot to carve in its day, it can't have been cheap, showing that even when the chips were down, the Eisteddfod was seen of being of such high importance as to spare no expense on it. For the fairly humble life of the Victorian quarryman, this chair must have been a very special thing to win.


The Eisteddfod was a very important part of life back then, no telly, phones, computers etc, it was what they did and were very enthusiastic about that and of course the chapel. I have a friend in Llan, a bit older than myself, that probably has more books on the subject of Eisteddfodau than a small library, anorak comes to mind, but each to his own Wink Leave it with me a couple of days and hopefully we can find your man Big GrinBig Grin

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Posted: 23/07/2016 07:48:01
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Llion wrote:


Nice one Miles, congratulations on getting something of local historic value back up here Thumbs UpThumbs Up

All you now is a slate mine to exhibit it inOopsOopsBig GrinBig GrinBig Grin

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Posted: 23/07/2016 10:58:58
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The eisteddfod was held 10-11th May 1886 in the Assembly Rooms in Blaenau Ffestiniog - see advertisement http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4253059/4253061

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Posted: 23/07/2016 11:08:29
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B Clarke wrote:



As long as all the joints are good, use it,press down with both hands in the centre of the arms turn slightly to the right then left, while pressing, thats the standard test for the joints you will know by the feel if anything loose,

if any joints are loose it will need to be reglued and pegged, the pegs should by now be just slightly proud of the legs, thats normal,

you will only add to the chair by using it, it will friction polish by use, you could use a soft neutral bees wax in parts that dont get rubbed, dont clean any dark areas eg in corners, thats part of its history/patina ,

use it, enjoy it, the man that made it would be proud,

sympathetically restoring furniture for 30 years.


Thank you very much for your professional opinion, that's good to know. OK - maybe I'll use it sometimes, very carefully, if its for the best Laugh

I will test it as you suggest, and take the best care of it that I can.
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Posted: 23/07/2016 11:10:26
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Llion wrote:



The Eisteddfod was a very important part of life back then, no telly, phones, computers etc, it was what they did and were very enthusiastic about that and of course the chapel. I have a friend in Llan, a bit older than myself, that probably has more books on the subject of Eisteddfodau than a small library, anorak comes to mind, but each to his own Wink Leave it with me a couple of days and hopefully we can find your man Big GrinBig Grin


Thank you very much Llion! I'd be delighted to find out all you can about this particular Eisteddfod and the man who won this chair. You're a star Thumbs Up
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Posted: 23/07/2016 11:12:48
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davel wrote:

The eisteddfod was held 10-11th May 1886 in the Assembly Rooms in Blaenau Ffestiniog - see advertisement http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4253059/4253061

Dave


That's an excellent find, thanks so much! I'm not able to translate the Welsh of the descriptive paragraph, perhaps Llion or someone else more bi-lingual than me might be able to oblige?

The advert seems to suggest a number of quarries has their Eisteddfod all at the same place/time?
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Posted: 23/07/2016 11:32:19
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Lovely isn't it? It was at an auction house down near Bristol and a few of the fellas at work found it for sale. It was more expensive than my education Oh My God

Rather than see some posh Horay-Henry in Kent snap it up as an occasion-chair for the visiting grand children in his delightfully manicured inherited country manor, I bought it.

So it's on its way back to North Wales where it belongs Smile

It's quite an honour to be a custodian of it, I need to give a bit of thought of how to have it accessible. I'd quite like to see it in a museum dedicated to the culture and heritage of Welsh quarries.


Thumbs Up Good for you Miles, I think it's so important that lovely and culturally significant objects like this should be kept where their history is known and, what's more, appreciated, so they are not "lost" forever. This is certainly a significant find for Cwmorthin's history - love it Smile

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Posted: 23/07/2016 12:35:58
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I can just imagine someone.
"We got this nice old chair but we had to sand the funny name off."
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