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Posted: 23/02/2016 14:32:37
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Interesting to see this one, and I can offer a bit more of the jigsaw.

Assuming the photograph was taken around 1900, prior to the winding-up of the London Lead Company the driver or assistant could indeed be John Pinkney (not Pinnkney). He would be the son of John Dixon Pinkney of Middleton-in-Teesdale who emigrated in 1884 to the Goulburn area of New South Wales.

His employers reference from the LLC agent stated that he was an experienced road traction engine driver, highly capable in hilly and difficult conditions, and who was leaving his employment owing to depression of the industry at that time.

Sadly, John Dixon Pinkney died shortly after arriving in Australia, and his wife Annie returned with their children to Middleton-in-Teesdale, where she lived at Garden Terrace, before moving to Darlington with her son John James (my Granddad) who was a fireman then engine driver on the NER.


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Posted: 23/02/2016 14:49:26
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This is nothing to do with the traction engine but I just had a quick trawl on t'internet for nenthead machinery just to see if I could find any confirmation that the old photo i uploaded a couple of days ago was from the VM mill and came across this. Has it been seen before?

I think it's engine 117?


http://www.drehscheibe-online.de/foren/read.php?17,5524223
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Posted: 23/02/2016 15:07:34
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It's been discussed at some length here IIRC

We've got a large print on display in the Barracks at Nenthead

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Posted: 23/02/2016 15:14:55
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Jim

the short answer is No. This loco is a mystery - it MAY be a Hydroleum locomotive, but.....

Ruhrthaler supplied two locos to the VMZ at Nenthead and we have some photos of those.
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Posted: 23/02/2016 15:19:27
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Any opinions on the location of the photo?

There is another photo of a different road engine in the yard at Nenthead. The VMZ purchased one for hauling ore to Alston station. Alastair Robertson has researched the story of how the local roads were wrecked by the engine and that eventually the company appears to have stopped using it for the Alston haul.

If you add in the Samson loco at Whitfield Brow, we appear to be seeing a big hole in our published knowledge of the LLCo operations in the period 1870 -1905.
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Posted: 23/02/2016 16:43:13
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Did Ironside, Son and Co import and re-brand Ruhrthaler engines? it makes no mention of that on the advert.


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Posted: 23/02/2016 16:52:03
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It seems that they were agents - the locos carried Ruhrthaler plates IP: 31.185.152.54
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Posted: 23/02/2016 22:57:49
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PeteJ wrote:

It seems that they were agents - the locos carried Ruhrthaler plates


The Locomotive Magazine February 1913

In the February issue there was an illustration of a small narrow gauge "New Century" petrol locomotive emerging from an adit of the Rampgill Mine at Nenthead, near Alston, Cumberland. The two locomotives of this type at Rampgill are said to have been supplied by Ironside, Son & Dyckerhoff of 40, Mincing Lane, London. A number of "New Century" motor locomotives were then "at work in various parts of the United Kingdom".

Interesting is the full name of the company. It seems it may have been more than an agency.

Ruhrtaler was originally the "Ruhrthaler Maschinenfabrik H. Schwarz & Co. GmbH"

On 1 December 1908, when the Dyckerhoff family became a partner in the company it became the "Ruhrthaler Maschinenfabrik Schwarz & Dyckerhoff GmbH (limited liability company)" and later, in 1938, the "Ruhrthaler Maschinenfabrik Schwarz & Dyckerhoff KG (a limited partnership)"
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Posted: 23/02/2016 23:27:40
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The ruhrthaler works list has the two locos listed. The company built many ug locos and copies of various catalogues are available.


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Posted: 24/02/2016 07:33:36
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Heres the previous thread on the subject from last year.

http://www.aditnow.co.uk/Community/viewtopic.aspx?t=10405
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Posted: 24/02/2016 08:01:36
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Here's another thread;

http://www.aditnow.co.uk/community/viewtopic.aspx?t=6622#msg94734

I think I need to learn how to use the forum search facility more effectivelyBlush
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Posted: 25/02/2016 21:18:58
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Is it just me in thinking that it was taken in the smelt mill and door on the left is the assay house? IP: 2.24.38.235
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Posted: 25/02/2016 21:50:25
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Possibly, only problem might be the roofline of the old attached building you can still see today is sloping forward.



The attached building in the engine photo is more of a lean-to (e.g. the mark left would be level)

That's not to say there haven't been earlier buildings attached !

Does anyone know what was attached to the Assay House ?
A spur of the culvert from the big wheel pit seems to come down directly into there.
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Posted: 26/02/2016 09:14:30
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A slightly different angle of the assay office may provide a possible location for the engine, this was lurking as an unknown site in Weardale on the Swaledale Museum image archive.
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Posted: 26/02/2016 12:03:38
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Looking at quoins on the pillar between the door and the corner of the building they are completely different to those there now. So unless there has been significant rebuilding unlikely to be the Assay House

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Posted: 26/02/2016 12:09:14
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The Assay House does not seem to have the large quoin stones in the end corner wall as seen in the Traction Engine photo. We'd like it to b that location, but its not Sad

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Posted: 26/02/2016 20:56:23
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I think that the whole area around the Rampgill entrance, and indeed probably the first 30 m of the horse level were extensively rebuilt by the VM Company.
I think the pic shows what it was like before all this took place.
If you look to the right of the Rampgill HL today it looks rather, less stable, but as Nick and Norpex have discovered the whole of this entrance area is not very stable.
If you look up in the roof in the first 30 m or so of the HL you will see the remains of large steel seives, and I guess they used any scrap steel they could lay their hands on to stabilise the roof in this entrance area.
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Posted: 29/02/2016 21:41:13
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Yeah. I kinda jumped the gun before I'd checked a photo of the assay house. Would love to see some photos of how the smelt mill once was.
I think I've only seen one taken from the hill above caplecleugh
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Posted: 01/03/2016 07:34:57
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There are two others on the Swaledale Museum archive, they are dated 1969 but the photos look somewhat older and quite poor quality although there seems to be quite pronounced dereliction showing. IP: 87.114.203.134
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