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Marra

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Posted: 12/01/2016 16:32:29
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I was given this bit of kit (Australian) and would like to know if any-one has any experience with it. At cavediggers site they have some information but does not answer if I can remove the extra braking system at the top, to use it as a single operated device and is it any good.

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Posted: 12/01/2016 16:40:56
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Looks like it could lead to no end of trouble!

Similar situation to the Anthron from what I hear....people who like them swear by them, people who don't like them just loathe them! The rest of us swear by Stops or Simples because they were the first thing we were ever given to use after an eight?

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Posted: 12/01/2016 16:50:30
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Based on the colour, I would say its excellent!

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Posted: 12/01/2016 16:54:06
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the blue of Petzl gear matches the colour of my eyes

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Posted: 12/01/2016 17:22:22
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Red helmets are really good, but not sure about descenders.

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Posted: 12/01/2016 17:39:33
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I have a couple of mates who use them - they are superb, arguably the best bobbin descender around. They have the stop feature of the Petzl Stop without the jerky ride.

If you don't get on with it I would be happy to take it off your hands.
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Posted: 12/01/2016 17:52:11
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sinker wrote:


The rest of us swear by Stops or Simples because they were the first thing we were ever given to use after an eight?


Wow over 60 minutes and no-one has yet commented that anyone who doesn't use a rack is some sort of sub-human. Laugh

Looks interesting, try it, if you like it us it.
That would be my advice.
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Posted: 12/01/2016 17:53:14
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Anybody who doesn't use a rack is some sort of sub-human Tongue

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Posted: 12/01/2016 17:56:19
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I still say
If you are first down an unknown pitch, or exploring then a Stop has it's benefits.
For ALL else a rack (after practice) is a much better solution.
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Posted: 12/01/2016 17:57:40
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christwigg wrote:

sinker wrote:


The rest of us swear by Stops or Simples because they were the first thing we were ever given to use after an eight?


Wow over 60 minutes and no-one has yet commented that anyone who doesn't use a rack is some sort of sub-human. Laugh

Looks interesting, try it, if you like it us it.
That would be my advice.


Sorry, I'm a bit slow these days.

Use a rack. You wouldn't try and use a screwdriver instead of a chisel, would you?
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Posted: 12/01/2016 18:45:11
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If that's all you have to hand, why not?
both will kill!!!!!!Guns
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Posted: 12/01/2016 20:16:58
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I find descending with a screwdriver to be much less prone to accidental injury than using a chisel.

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Posted: 12/01/2016 22:01:56
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The Fresh Prince of Portreath wrote:


Use a rack. You wouldn't try and use a screwdriver instead of a chisel, would you?


Depends on what you're doing; if you want to try and assemble flat-pack Ikea furniture using a chisel instead of a screwdriver could you video it and post it to Youtube for our entertainment?Devil

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Posted: 13/01/2016 00:47:56
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If that's what I think it is, they are very highly rated in Alpine Caving Techniques, and quite expensive, as I remember. IP: 81.174.241.13
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Posted: 13/01/2016 09:11:54
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don't forget that gravity works the other way round in Oz! Shocked

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Posted: 13/01/2016 13:04:54
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I think it's upside-down to a Stop, in that the rope clamping is performed at the top bobbin as the rope exits, rather than the bottom bobbin. Also as its handle is much longer and better-shaped, it's way less painful to use.

Although I use a Stop, I hate its operation - a better-designed handle would be a help (why can't they do that?), but also would remove the danger of your fingers opening the catch plate as you squeeze the handle. Definitely a device in need of a redesign, IMO. I do appreciate the locking function, but try it on 9mm, and it doesn't work so well.

I dropped a massive shaft recently on brand-new 11mm Spanset bagged up beneath me, and I may as well have been on a rack, as there was no 'stop' at all. Mind you, it was one of the smoothest descents I've ever had.
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Posted: 13/01/2016 13:29:34
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The thing is with a stop, you're meant to squeeze the handle AND THEN use it like a bobbin. Not like an ID where the handle position equals speed. It's a mistake people often make and why they get a sore hand.

This thing doesn't look like it's got a large surface area, so it's probably more of a work positioning device than a descender. IMO.
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Posted: 13/01/2016 13:45:45
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The Fresh Prince of Portreath wrote:

The thing is with a stop, you're meant to squeeze the handle AND THEN use it like a bobbin. Not like an ID where the handle position equals speed. It's a mistake people often make and why they get a sore hand.



Absolutely spot on!
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Posted: 13/01/2016 15:09:12
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Marra, stick to what you know. Remember what happened when you experimented with two Petzl Stops!

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IP: 217.33.165.66 Edited: 13/01/2016 15:09:51 by Captain Scarlet
Marra

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Posted: 13/01/2016 16:05:07
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I tried an Anthron a few years ago but I failed to descend due my meagre weight. Returned to supplier (ebay)

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