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Posted: 22/03/2015 17:03:28
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But no indication as to who owns it?

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Posted: 22/03/2015 17:09:57
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There was a fair bit of writing on the sign but it failed to come out in the rather poor image, have a look when you visit. IP: 86.191.15.147
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Posted: 22/03/2015 17:10:21
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royfellows wrote:

But no indication as to who owns it?


That barbed wire wasn't there last time I visited (maybe a year ago?) There was however a sign outside which said "no potholing in ........cave" unhelpfully I can't remember what they called it but it wasn't Blue Dinas. If I'm remembering correctly it was an official looking sign with some sort of logo on it?
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Posted: 22/03/2015 17:23:22
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I can't remember what they called it but it wasn't Blue Dinas.


Names like 'Blue Dinas' and 'Chalybleate' are recent and confusing names for two mines in the area!
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Posted: 22/03/2015 17:45:51
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Worth approaching SWCC and WSG; both have been active in this locality as its more-or-less their back yard, and the mines and caves have seen numerous trips, digs, etc over the years. There's a very good chance that there are quite a few relevant articles and plans in these two clubs' journals.

Cambrian Cave Registry may hold useful information too.

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Posted: 31/03/2015 19:16:42
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gotta be honest ive taken a few people on tours round there as its possibly one of the simplest mines to show people what its like underground. and in terms of risk the roof is mega solid and the risk of bad air is nill due to the crosscut by the winch to the top of the hill giving it a good air supply, i think its an ideal beginners mine for low risks and because of the stuff left to see.
saying that we have walked into the mobile phone lamp and spool of nylon crew in there a few times but regards to gating it the best would be to leave the crosscut on top of the hill where open and gate the lower passages of the mine
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Posted: 31/03/2015 19:24:53
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I have no intention of fitting any gates.

My approach regarding legal compliance with regard to potential public liability is to keep the surrounding fence in good order so as to provide a physical barrier which must be crossed, and to take any measures necessary with regard to anything underground which is unstable, in other words, fix it!

I have yet to visit the site and need to get a feel for the place.

I may even attempt to make access easier for people who have insurance, I shall have to see.


Thanks for the input anyway.

Mmm, I don't really do gates.

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Posted: 31/03/2015 20:49:31
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[quote=]Mmm, I don't really do gates.

TFFT- too many folk like gates! - glad to see a sensible approach!

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Posted: 25/09/2015 12:55:38
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Picking up from the calendar thread..........

Sorry about short notice but will be at Dinas this weekend, my first visit. Planning on being there Sat morning, if anyone wants to talk to me and in the area I will be in a blue Skoda RS.
If not near the car will be up at the mine, look for white Ecrin with "RF" on it.

I need to formulate a management strategy, and as such I want to put together a list of stakeholders in the mine. Stakeholders can be individuals, clubs, outdoor centres or whatever.

We will need to maintain the place to keep it safe and assessable. I will also be looking at ways to improve access to the mine for divers who have heavy equipment to carry.



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Posted: 25/09/2015 16:03:06
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I have no intention of fitting any gates.

I may even attempt to make access easier for people who have insurance, I shall have to see.

Mmm, I don't really do gates.


Roy, whilst I fully support the good work carried out by yourself and others in this area might I enquire whether there will be any 'two tier' access system. I only enquire as I was thinking about changing from green to red card this month.

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Posted: 25/09/2015 16:20:43
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Morlock wrote:

royfellows wrote:

I have no intention of fitting any gates.

I may even attempt to make access easier for people who have insurance, I shall have to see.

Mmm, I don't really do gates.


Roy, whilst I fully support the good work carried out by yourself and others in this area might I enquire whether there will be any 'two tier' access system. I only enquire as I was thinking about changing from green to red card this month.



The current position is:

CMT and NAL, no locks anywhere, gates and barriers just open and close, Dinas stays as is. BCA not necessary but may be desirable from your own point of view, liability to others etc.

CAL (North Wales, Parc ect) there are ways in we all know about but for a permit you need BCA green card (underground) membership. Only lock I know of is Rhiwbach and you should get the combination of the CAL website when you get your permit. Please stay clear of any GoBelow trips in there.

EDIT
Misunderstood your question, can see what I wrote.
No, I mean footbridge or whatever needed for the divers to get their bottles into the mine. But bridge might have to have little gate or something. You see a bridge could be seen as an 'encouragement' to enter.

There will never be a gate on Dinas main entrance.
The mine appears to be the safest I have ever seen from the photographs, much safer than most of the slate mines. I am thinking of a policy of free open access but with the mine declared a 'Hard Hat' area together with the appropriate warning signs, and just leaving it at that.

Sorry if I was misunderstood.

What do you think John?



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Posted: 25/09/2015 17:00:55
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Thanks Roy. I'd not given any thought to the third party liability issue so I'll probably pay the extra few quid and stay with the full cover.Smile

Only other question is, do you have a use for two 8"x4" RSJs (guessing 4-5 feet long) anywhere?



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Posted: 25/09/2015 17:08:13
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ttxela wrote:

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Aren't there some caves in the same gorge?


Yes. there is a book.

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Posted: 25/09/2015 17:41:02
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Thanks Roy. I'd not given any thought to the third party liability issue so I'll probably pay the extra few quid and stay with the full cover.Smile

Only other question is, do you have a use for two 8"x4" RSJs (guessing 4-5 feet long) anywhere?



YES!
Cross spans for the new Cwmystwyth road to replace the second 'grotty crawl' plastic drum.

Its very kind of you to offer them, everything costs money, even SH RSJs. I will still have to get them welded up with brackets etc,but a saving is a saving.

How do we get them?

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Posted: 25/09/2015 17:57:37
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As long as you're not in a rush I can deliver to Wolverhampton (or your residence) probably towards the end of October?


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Posted: 25/09/2015 18:38:09
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Morlock wrote:

As long as you're not in a rush I can deliver to Wolverhampton (or your residence) probably towards the end of October?


Sounds great.
I have to prioritise on the sagging timber first.

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Posted: 25/09/2015 18:39:58
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EDIT
Misunderstood your question, can see what I wrote.
No, I mean footbridge or whatever needed for the divers to get their bottles into the mine. But bridge might have to have little gate or something. You see a bridge could be seen as an 'encouragement' to enter.

There will never be a gate on Dinas main entrance.
The mine appears to be the safest I have ever seen from the photographs, much safer than most of the slate mines. I am thinking of a policy of free open access but with the mine declared a 'Hard Hat' area together with the appropriate warning signs, and just leaving it at that.

Sorry if I was misunderstood.

What do you think John?



I think the bridge would be an excellent development as it would enable the CDG to spend more time training and less humping of kit to a very good training site.

Not sure what the implications of easier access are as regards the problems they've had at the car park.

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Posted: 25/09/2015 18:49:05
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Not sure what the implications of easier access are as regards the problems they've had at the car park.


I think I need to know more about this.
I was planning on spending tomorrow night there. I'm not going to be attacked by ninjas sent by the guardians of the Shaolin temple I hope
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Posted: 25/09/2015 19:03:04
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I'm not really sure about the current state of affairs as the car park was gated a fair while back.
The problems seemed to centre around people using the place for general 'car control' practice compounded by issues with alcohol and drug use.

You'll just have to fell the biggest Ninja first.Laugh

Seriously though, I've not witnessed any such behavior during very late night visits in the last couple of years.



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Posted: 28/09/2015 10:07:50
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Good morning everyone.
I have spent a very enjoyable weekend exploring Craig y Ddinas, and now have a much better understanding of it. As such a lot of my previous comments are misplaced and should be disregarded.

I arrived Saturday morning and managed to grab the last parking space. I took a walk around the car park and am well pleased with the way that it is being maintained by Natural Resources Wales (NRW), ex Forestry. They have interpretation boards in place and even a changing facility for the gorge walkers.

The way up to the mine is a steep ascent of the raised path to the left (west) which has a handrail in one place, when one reaches a junction the descending path to the right takes you down to the mine. Sharp right is another path which follows the western bank of the river down towards Dinas rock, but this ends at a ‘missing section’

The area within the fence in front of the mine entrance is now very overgrown and the popular route is up on the right to step over the fence. I have fixed notices advising change of ownership and conditions of access together with contact details and an invitation for interested parties to make contact.

Just past the mine is a wooden footbridge probably fitted by NRW, immediately in front is a large mine entrance described on the vendors report as a ‘tunnel’. I can’t see any proper path leading aware and think that the bridge is for the benefit of viewing the waterfall there from the other side.

After finishing my initial recon I followed the gunpowder tail which is about a couple of miles and well worth the effort. As it was getting late I collected a takeaway and then returned to the Dinas Car Park which was still open where I spent the night.

On Sunday morning, first arrivals where a group of divers who arrived at 7.30 who were delighted to hear of the acquisition of the mineral estate by Natural Amenities Ltd (NAL).

I cooked bacon and eggs breakfast on one of the convenient picnic tables and later saw the divers in the mine when I returned for a full exploration and photo session.

I have quite a number of photos to upload later.

My interpretation and take on things is as follows:

The Craig y Ddinas Mineral Estate appears to border east and west on the two rivers and extends northwards as far as Swyg yr Eria waterfall and encompasses the Dinas Rock car park and the Upper Silica Mine which are included in the general description “all mines and minerals” of the contract of sale.

It is important to note that we have no material interest in the mines east of the Afon Sychryd, namely Lower Silica AKA Blue Silica, Middle Silica AKA Bwamaen Silica Mine. The latter has its upper entrance over the footbridge as previously described.
This is wide open to the general public and has a complete absence of any kind of notice whatsoever. This is not a problem as exploration indicated a completely sound and safe level for as far as the public are likely to wander with a torch or whatever. This is not in our ownership anyway. I also fancy it’s a different landowner (NRW?) to the lower entrance and the Blue Silica which is in the possession of a very hostile landowner who is banning any kind of activity on his land, see picture.



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This is at Blue Dinas



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Spelling and grammar are not his strong point

The land to the north hasn't any mining remains so is of no interest to the mining community, but could be of great interest to us should they ever wish to erect a wind farm!
Ref Countess of Lonsdale V Tesco 2010

There is a survey of Bwamaen on this database done by Peter Burgess and Paul Thorne, must have been in happier days.

The Upper Silica Mine is a typical pillar and stall working worked by different levels driven from the entrance which radiate to different heights on the slope of the bedding plane which dips downward from west to east.
It has many entrances, 4 by the footbridge one of which is walled up, the centre of the first three being the main entrance. There are also several top entrances springing off an overgrown gully, these enter the mine at top of the bedding plane.

There may have been a bridge at one time crossing the gorge from Upper Silica to Bwamaen.
The descending path from the mine which follows the Afon Sychryd was the tramway route from the mine and concrete reinforcements of the bank can be seen in places. There are also the remains of a rake of trucks lying in the river bed.

Unfortunately, this easy route up to the mine ends at a missing incline or bridge structure adjacent to a waterfall. It is possible to explorer the lower section from the Dinas car park eventually reaching the base of the missing ‘incline’ at a large concrete area.
This route passes first Blue Dinas on the opposite bank of the river, noticeable by its barbed wire and display of notices fixed by the landowner, and further on and close to a picnic bench the remains of bridge supports which carried the tramway from Bwamaen lower entrance.

If the incline or bridge could be reinstated this would provide a much easier route to the mine as well as providing an interesting circular walk. However it would have a high visual impact on the adjacent waterfall as well as being an expensive structure.

As noted before, unless there is an exception at the time of severance of mineral rights, original contract I have yet to have sight of, then the car park forms part of the mineral estate. However as it is being administered by NRW as a public amenity directly in line with my own aspirations I am adopting a policy of non interference and wish for things to continue as they are. It appears that it’s left unlocked Saturday evenings for Sunday early arrivals so its no inconvenience to me whatsoever.

My overall vision for CMT and NAL is one of working together with NRW and the various agencies such as CADW as we all have the common abjective.

The NAL policy on underground access is currently that its open to anyone properly equipped to go underground with a hard hat etc and who knows the risks involved and is prepared to accept them.



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There is no intention to fit any kind of gates to the mine but there is a necessity to maintain the surrounding fence. I need to contact NRW about this and see who has assumed responsibility for it as well as confirming our above access policy.
I called in at the waterfall centre and my general impression is that access to the mine is a bit of a sensitive issue even if access itself is far from sensitive.

The mine does appear generally safe, there are roof falls in places but this occurs everywhere. What is of concern is a bad roof condition just inside the entrance where the public are likely to wonder in. There where some people there on Sunday.
Propping appears a solution but I am concerned that driving a prop in could cause it to break away and come down there and then. It will need some consideration.

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