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Posted: 10/03/2015 22:09:09
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I have been contacted by the landowners of the above mine. Their insurance company is insisting that the mine be gated and as they have no interest in the mine are seeking to dispose of it to a responsible body by way of the peppercorn sale of the mineral rights.

I am not familiar with this mine and need to make an assessment visit. I am at this time gathering the information that I require to place before the board of either CMT or CAL to proceed with this.

A sticking point appears to the requirement for gating which I am against in principle but would concede to if there was an easy access system such as the Derbyshire key, a simple adjustable spanner.

I invite comment on this and will advise events as they occur.

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He told me 'I seem to eat batteries”. No wonder he has a bad stomach.
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Posted: 10/03/2015 22:16:11
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I cannot see a problem with gating provided it is done on the above basis ...
IE bolted rather than padlocked ....


Especially IF it is under your wing Roy
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Posted: 10/03/2015 22:20:06
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I like the way you all have confidence in me and will always try my utmost not to let people down.

Is my memory playing tricks or was there a thread on possible loss of access on here before?

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He told me 'I seem to eat batteries”. No wonder he has a bad stomach.
IP: 92.28.45.211 Edited: 10/03/2015 22:21:05 by royfellows
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Posted: 10/03/2015 22:22:19
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Heavily used, including the flooded portions by cave divers for training so worth flagging this up on ukcaving also.

If you visit, beware that the car park is notorious for break-ins and theft from vehicles, and that parking further south in the vicinity of the houses is apparently much objected to by the residents.
IP: 92.14.157.182 Edited: 10/03/2015 22:23:10 by Graigfawr
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Posted: 11/03/2015 00:15:58
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Roy, is the landowner still the Forestry Commission, (or whatever now called)? IP: 109.154.173.108 Edited: 11/03/2015 00:17:11 by Morlock
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Posted: 11/03/2015 00:30:29
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Roy,

It is only the landowners insurers that want it gating - they (the owners) have indicated they want to release their rights and, as such, no gate would be required if you accepted it under either CMT or CAL (CCC).

(I have the same email)

BCA insurance (as the Access body insurer) makes no such demand

Smile

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IP: 90.206.40.17 Edited: 11/03/2015 00:31:04 by Ian A
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Posted: 11/03/2015 08:12:54
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Roy,
There is more to this than meets the eye.
I have been asked to inspect them for outdoor centre use.
However, we will have the mineral owner's permission and access via public paths but very definitely not the landowner's permission.
Doesn't quite fit does it?

Les
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Posted: 11/03/2015 08:44:33
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Graigfawr wrote:

If you visit, beware that the car park is notorious for break-ins and theft from vehicles,


Not surprising really considering which type of Government bodies use the place for 'character building' exercises.Big Grin
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Posted: 11/03/2015 09:27:59
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Thanks for the feedback and keep it coming please, as I know nothing at all about this place.

Can someone please point me to it on the database as I cant even find it on here.

Anyway, I have been contacted by an individual not any organisation that I am aware of.

At this point in time I take it at face value, that the landowner is trying to avoid cost of gates, higher insurance premiums etc relative to something in that he has no interest.

In the event that the purchase of mineral rights proceeds obviously it will involve solicitors fees and only CMT has any money. Again, this would have to be a decision by the board and this cannot be made without full information, so part of that information gathering is the feedback (PMs welcome if there is something I should know about) plus a site visit.

Finally, I have to confirm for the benefit of anyone unsure about this, that the acquisition of 'assets' be it land, mineral rights, or ordinary access agreements, is the purpose for which CMT was founded.

There are two main issues however.

One is that we have to be very mindful of potential third party liabilities, our opinion on liability towards anyone going underground deliberately and injuring themselves is non existent by virtue of legal precedent and covered by our BCA membership anyway.
The other issue relates to any site other than our mid Wales portfolio in that where gates have to be fitted we would need to have a local group acting on our behalf in maintaining them.

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Posted: 11/03/2015 09:35:26
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I would suspect this is the mine in question.

http://www.aditnow.co.uk/Mines/Upper-Silica-Mine_4294/
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Posted: 11/03/2015 09:36:33
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There are possibly two sites involved, on opposite sides of the river, the larger mine on the north side of the river which I understand was Forestry Commission and that on the south/west side which notices came up quite recently about access issues. Do you know which we are talking about?


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Posted: 11/03/2015 09:44:29
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Alasdair Neill wrote:

There are possibly two sites involved, on opposite sides of the river, the larger mine on the north side of the river which I understand was Forestry Commission and that on the south/west side which notices came up quite recently about access issues. Do you know which we are talking about?


in view of your recent input it could possibly be Blue Dinas or connecting tunnel?

http://www.aditnow.co.uk/Mines/Blue-Dinas-Silica-Mine_17411/
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Posted: 11/03/2015 09:50:27
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Couple of links below for information.
Don't flame me because of where they are!

https://www.28dayslater.co.uk/threads/lower-and-upper-dinas-silica-mines-pontneddfechan-aug-2014.91863/

https://www.28dayslater.co.uk/threads/dinas-silica-mine-wales-sept-2013.83715/

https://www.28dayslater.co.uk/threads/upper-dinas-silica-mine-pontneddfechan-july-2012.74419/

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Posted: 11/03/2015 09:52:27
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I will ask the landowner for a map reference.

It would be a funny kind of board decision if we didn't even know for sure which mine we were buying.
Laugh

As far as the mine on ex Forestry, now Natural Resources Wales land, if access issues arise here we (CAL hat on) can ask to have the mine added to the schedule of our agreement.

EDIT
There was a grid reference in the original email, sorry.
This came in unexpected last night just before I was going out to training and caught me slightly off balance.
Will come back on this shortly.

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IP: 78.148.245.151 Edited: 11/03/2015 10:02:08 by royfellows
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Posted: 11/03/2015 10:00:58
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The 28D image with "no potholing" sign is Blue Dinas.

About here.

http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=51.759658&lon=-3.574979&z=17.5&r=0&src=msa
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Posted: 11/03/2015 10:03:29
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From the original:

"As a family syndicate, we own the mineral rights for the above mine (National grid reference 292725Me, 209182Mn). The site lies within the Brecon Beacons National Park and the Forest Fawr Geopark."

EDIT
Help please. I am struggling with this location.

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He told me 'I seem to eat batteries”. No wonder he has a bad stomach.
IP: 78.148.245.151 Edited: 11/03/2015 10:16:14 by royfellows
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Posted: 11/03/2015 10:22:14
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Roy, the X-Y coordinates do not indicate the entrance but an area above the mine. Cut and paste the data into the X-Y boxes.

http://www.gridreferencefinder.com/index.php?x=530046&y=179914

Edit: I now think the coordinates are a long way out.
IP: 109.154.173.108 Edited: 11/03/2015 10:31:19 by Morlock
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Posted: 11/03/2015 10:39:12
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Roy, further checks seem to indicate the X-Y intersection point is 1800 metres out! IP: 109.154.173.108 Edited: 11/03/2015 10:40:40 by Morlock
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Posted: 11/03/2015 11:16:27
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I am going to have to get back to the landowner on this. You can see why I was struggling.

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Posted: 11/03/2015 11:55:52
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When I was up there late last year Blue Dinas had the sign outside advising no entry - I've had a look in there before, nice place very photogenic but not very extensive. I believe it's a much older mine than the others?

Upper Silica mine where the divers go seemed much as always, probably worth noting though that anyone and everyone goes in there, I met a chap in there in a flat cap walking his dog.

Aren't there some caves in the same gorge?
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