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Author Groverake / Frasers Hush Documentation
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Groverake / Frasers Hush Documentation
Posted: 03/12/2014 10:35:19
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Over the years a fair amount of material has been scanned in that was salvaged from the offices after closure

http://www.aditnow.co.uk/document/?ref=Groverake-Fluorite-Mine&from=mine&name=Groverake+Fluorite+Mine

(before it all got trashed and burned)

On a recent trip up there with Wayne Martin he produced a carrier bag full of documents that had been in his loft since the closure. This include plans with some handwritten annotations and a number of accident books and production logs.

I've made a start on scanning all this in for all to share, heres the plan and the rest will follow as time allows to scan.

http://www.aditnow.co.uk/documents/Groverake-Fluorite-Mine/Frasers-Grove.pdf
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Groverake / Frasers Hush Documentation
Posted: 03/12/2014 10:37:12
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These two photos were part of the collection also.



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Groverake / Frasers Hush Documentation
Posted: 03/12/2014 11:28:21
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Very good Chris.

Are there anymore plans? I've only ever seen one for Groverake and it was a scanned B&W copy that was pretty much impossible to make sense off.

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Groverake / Frasers Hush Documentation
Posted: 03/12/2014 13:18:18
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Theres the one i've uploaded already, but no more underground.

One A3 surface plan.
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Groverake / Frasers Hush Documentation
Posted: 03/12/2014 21:23:35
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It's interesting looking at the uploaded mine plan, one long level connects Groverake with Frazers, I assume then that GR pumped the water out of Frazers whilst they were still working GR, though on our visit to Frazers in the mid 1980's Frazers very steep drift soon came to water. So were they working higher levels in GR by that time?


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Posted: 03/12/2014 22:26:39
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It's not quite one long level connecting Frazers and GR. We had a trip down Frazers in the early 90s with Dave Strutt, the company geologist. We walked down the Frazers dib and examined some of the stopes on the 310 level then back up a short incline which connected with the 60fm level of Grove Rake then a ride to surface in the cage of the no.2 shaft. There was no working in GR at that time but the shaft was maintained as a secondary means of egress. IP: 81.153.143.212
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Posted: 03/12/2014 22:58:59
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sparlad wrote:

It's not quite one long level connecting Frazers and GR. We had a trip down Frazers in the early 90s with Dave Strutt, the company geologist. We walked down the Frazers dib and examined some of the stopes on the 310 level then back up a short incline which connected with the 60fm level of Grove Rake then a ride to surface in the cage of the no.2 shaft. There was no working in GR at that time but the shaft was maintained as a secondary means of egress.

Minworth were so short of money they had two teams of miners at each end of the mine and only 1 wood saw so they had to keep walking back and forth between to get it when they needed it
Went down Frasers and along the connection too, they had a squished Jumbo in one of the stopes and chunks of Galena so big they must have weighed in the tons...
First time went down Groverake they had a kibble stuck in the shaft, we had to wait while the miners tried to free it, always wondered how much strain had been put on the cable by the time they put the cage back on....
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Posted: 03/12/2014 23:06:28
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Obviously not enough as I'm still here to write about it!

My over-riding memory of the trip is one of the miners saying to me : keep your fu****g hands out of them loft holes Big Grin
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Groverake / Frasers Hush Documentation
Posted: 04/12/2014 07:45:39
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I may have to hold off on the accident books.

Considering they contain the names and addresses of the people involved, many of which will presumably still be with us.

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Groverake / Frasers Hush Documentation
Posted: 04/12/2014 09:05:32
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Things were not done by the book in there... Remember seeing ore tubs with boxes of gelly loaded to the brim... We went into a stope as they were preparing a blast. They were chucking the stuff around. Wiring bundles together and a detonator in the middle stick then chucked it up into the stope. When we were going out they let us crouch between the tubs and as the tubs were pulled up the incline they set the blast off as we passed the level..
Health and Safety...Laugh
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Groverake / Frasers Hush Documentation
Posted: 04/12/2014 10:44:01
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Thanks for uploading this section Chris; very interesting!
Does anyone else have any other plans or sections that they would be prepared to share, or PM me, that show the further reaches of the Rake Level or Firestone workings please?
Unfortunately, the latter years of GR and most of the post-closure phase coincided with my 'holiday' from mining and I never got to look around Frasers or Greencleugh.
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Groverake / Frasers Hush Documentation
Posted: 04/12/2014 14:31:19
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Added todays batch.

Groverake Surface Electrical Plan
http://www.aditnow.co.uk/documents/Groverake-Fluorite-Mine/Surface-Electrical-Plan.pdf

A sample analysis (on Blackdene note paper)
http://www.aditnow.co.uk/documents/Groverake-Fluorite-Mine/Sample-Analysis-1982.pdf

A section of Greencleugh and Frasers (has more development than the one posted yesterday)
http://www.aditnow.co.uk/documents/Frazers-Hush-Fluorite-Mine/Greencleugh-and-Fraser-Section.pdf

Proposed 1992 Opencut.
http://www.aditnow.co.uk/documents/Greencleugh-Fluorite-Mine/Proposed-Excavation-on-Greencleugh-Vein-1992.pdf

Anyone know the last actually came to pass ?
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Groverake / Frasers Hush Documentation
Posted: 04/12/2014 15:17:19
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in part at least, I believe it did.



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Groverake / Frasers Hush Documentation
Posted: 04/12/2014 19:13:15
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A couple of points! Chris obviously you are correct with your approach, regarding the accident book.
Perhaps, you should adopt, the attitude of the Grand master of Northern Geology, namely K.C.Dunham.
His deposit in the D.R.O. stated some items could not be examined in his lifetime, for the reasons you have already stated.
I think working conditions at Groverake improved when Minworth closed and it was taken over by a local quarry owner, who closed it because they could not compete with the price of Chinese spar.
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Posted: 04/12/2014 20:47:39
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moorlandmineral wrote:

Things were not done by the book in there... Remember seeing ore tubs with boxes of gelly loaded to the brim... We went into a stope as they were preparing a blast. They were chucking the stuff around. Wiring bundles together and a detonator in the middle stick then chucked it up into the stope. When we were going out they let us crouch between the tubs and as the tubs were pulled up the incline they set the blast off as we passed the level..
Health and Safety...Laugh


Have you seen 'the book' at Groverake to determine if they were in breach of their procedures?
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Groverake / Frasers Hush Documentation
Posted: 04/12/2014 20:56:00
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Heres a real gem.

http://www.aditnow.co.uk/documents/Groverake-Fluorite-Mine/Groverake-Daily-Production-Logs.pdf

3.5 years of daily production logs from Groverake / Whiteheaps / Blackdene
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Posted: 04/12/2014 21:45:16
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It has always struck me as strange how when a mine is abandoned its abandoned in the absolute sense, furniture left in the office, paperwork in the filing cabinets. chargers and sometimes even the lamps in the lamp room, tools bits and pieces.
I have never understood this.

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Posted: 05/12/2014 06:52:48
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royfellows wrote:

It has always struck me as strange how when a mine is abandoned its abandoned in the absolute sense, furniture left in the office, paperwork in the filing cabinets. chargers and sometimes even the lamps in the lamp room, tools bits and pieces.
I have never understood this.


Probably because a lo of closures like Grove Rake aren't always expected to be permanent.

A lot of small mines used to close down in the expectation of re-opening as soon as prices improve.
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Groverake / Frasers Hush Documentation
Posted: 05/12/2014 07:13:33
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jagman wrote:

royfellows wrote:

It has always struck me as strange how when a mine is abandoned its abandoned in the absolute sense, furniture left in the office, paperwork in the filing cabinets. chargers and sometimes even the lamps in the lamp room, tools bits and pieces.
I have never understood this.


Probably because a lo of closures like Grove Rake aren't always expected to be permanent.

A lot of small mines used to close down in the expectation of re-opening as soon as prices improve.


Seconded that one Smile

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Posted: 05/12/2014 09:48:34
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polo wrote:

moorlandmineral wrote:

Things were not done by the book in there... Remember seeing ore tubs with boxes of gelly loaded to the brim... We went into a stope as they were preparing a blast. They were chucking the stuff around. Wiring bundles together and a detonator in the middle stick then chucked it up into the stope. When we were going out they let us crouch between the tubs and as the tubs were pulled up the incline they set the blast off as we passed the level..
Health and Safety...Laugh


Have you seen 'the book' at Groverake to determine if they were in breach of their procedures?

Well the Landrover they had at Groverake was kept on a concrete slope last time I visited as it didn't have a working starter, so not sure whether they had a book!
The Lead was amazingly rich in the section they were working, the company was selling it for brake lining
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