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Posted: 26/11/2007 08:56:57
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Cave pod is lift to big cash bid: Express & Star

http://www.expressandstar.com/2007/11/22/cave-pod-is-lift-to-big-cash-bid/

A plan to open up Dudley mines to the public

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Posted: 28/11/2007 15:37:03
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This was reported today on the BBC news web site as well:

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Posted: 04/12/2007 20:05:27
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Hi , forgive me for gatecrashing your forum ... but as someone who lives and works near Wren's Nest I was invited to go into the caverns and take a look , while they are open this week for the purpose of getting publicity for the "People's Millions lottery bid " This was so that I could then report back to the children at the school where I work and get them interested too . I'm sadly not an expert on such things so wasn't sure what I would be looking for .. I just took as many photo's as I possibly could and hoped to get something interesting ! I will be happy to post them here ,if anyone is interested ... and assuming I can work out how to post piccies ! Smile IP: 82.47.23.241
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Posted: 04/12/2007 21:37:00
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I live at Great Wyrley near Walsall and used to go in the caverns at Mons Hill, Wrens Nest etc while in my teens. Long time ago as I'm 63 in January. We would ALL like to see your pictures I am sure. Please post them. You might have to add "Wrens Nest" as a new mine first, as just looked and not there. When you have done that add them to the "User Album" Get the map reference ready before you add the mine as you will need to provide it.
Look forward to seeing you pictures.
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Posted: 05/12/2007 17:50:05
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Wren's nest has been added, i just need an accurate grid ref, im not happy with the approx ones i can find.

Wrens nest is here ... [web link]

Barb, if you click the link and follow the simple instructions on the page, you should hopefully be able to upload your pics-and thank you!

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Posted: 05/12/2007 19:09:13
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Oh oh Wink wish I'd seen that last post sooner ! I found an empty album titled "Dudley Limestone Caverns Limestone Mine"..and thought that was the right place to put photos and have already started uploading .. sorry .. if its the wrong place do you have a forum manager who can delete / move them or do I have to do it because I was the one who put them there ?

Sorry ... I won't post any more until I know what I'm doing Blush

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Posted: 05/12/2007 19:48:27
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I think that is my fault, I put this on and then......forgot.
Its my age
Dont worry about it
Take Wrens nest off and leave it under the collective "Dudley"?
I doubt anyone will mind.
IP: 78.150.19.125 Edited: 05/12/2007 19:50:26 by royfellows
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Posted: 05/12/2007 21:08:57
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I have just looked at your pics. There were also some in the the "Express and Star". It certainly is a place and I sincerely hope it gets the funding. Authority needs to make amends, see my comments on the "Dudley" mines.
I never got into the workings in the pictures, I just never got round to it although I know the route. Years ago I got into Singer Cavern by swimming the canal and free diving the water gate, but thats another story.
Now for me the high road to adventure is the A5 to Wales.
Many thanks for your effort.

If this is generating interest try to locate:

PDMHS Bulletin Vol 14 No 1 by Steve Powell

200 years of Dudleys Limestone Workings and Caves, good old Steve again

Dudley Canal Tunnel, Dudley Canal Trust.

Just pulled this off my database.
IP: 78.150.19.125 Edited: 05/12/2007 21:15:21 by royfellows
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Posted: 06/12/2007 18:46:24
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The limestone mines around Dudley can be a little confusing, there are several in a very tight spot and i think its difficult determining which one is which, do you have any accurate info Roy, enough to create seperate pages for each mine? I know the Dudley/ Tipton mine joins another smack in the middle. If we cannot gain enough info then for the time being they can all sit under the 'Dudley limestone mines' page. However, it is still worth creating the appropriate page for individual mines to stay within the idea of the website.

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Posted: 07/12/2007 15:36:30
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Its a difficult one as they are all fairly close together, the main sites being #1 Castle Hill, including Singer Cavern, Dark or 144 or Murchisons Cavern , Mudhole Cavern, Bearpit, and some other. #2 CastleFields with nothing remaining, #3 Wrens Nest including the west mine (Severn Sisters), and east mine, and Mons Hill. The last was a particularly exiting place to visit in my teens, the hill was riddled with workings of which nothing remains today. Unfortunately non of the excellent books I mention gives map references, and I do not have local OS maps.
There is an issue here as in the event all the mines were put in seperately they would become scattered and as such disassociated from each other. I think that the best logical course of action would be to put all pictures and documents together under "Dudley" and maybe put in the seperate mines with a reference "See under Dudley Limestone Mines" if this can be done.
There were also workings more local to me beneath Church Hill in Walsall centre, also under Littleton Street Walsall, and Linley Caverns near Aldridge. Most have now been infilled as the word "Limestone" became a new swear word a few years ago, similar to the word "Kalashnikov" after Hungerford. This was due to a local panic, exagerated out of all proportion, under the heading of "Limestone Blight" were a lot of people imagined their homes disappearing into the ground. The slightest settlement crack would be viewed with disproportionate alarm.
As I have commented before, the worst loss to me was that of the 144 cavern. There is nothing above it only woodland, it was a fantastic place, and infilling was opposed by many including the Canal Trust. The Seven Sisters had become very unstable with pieces dropping from the roof and it was understandably considerd a risk. Of course, as with all of these places, money becomes available to destroy but not preserve. Hopefully this will change.
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Posted: 07/12/2007 16:03:41
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Some good ideas there Roy, i will spend some time sorting it!
The tunnel that the canal trust enter-which mine is that? This leads to what i understand to be the Dudley/Tipton mine at the point where there are 5 tunnels leading off, gated to the north and open west and south.

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Posted: 07/12/2007 18:35:37
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The boat trip is to Singer Cavern where there are mannequin figures of quarrymen, or at least there were when I took the trip. The whole complex on Castle Hill is logically named Castle Hill Mine. The trip passes through Shirts Mill Basin where there is a branch to the Wrens Nest mines, a branch to the 144 which turned left to Mud Hole under 'the balcony'. See the photo I uploaded. The 144 branch has been blocked for years. The canal tunnel passes right through Shirts Mill Basin, so you have quite a few branches, some in daylight, others underground. The canal trip can be taken from the Black Country Museum, but does not have to be. There is a mock up coal drift where you will actually pay to hear someone talk with an accent like mine. But dont let this put you off, BCM is a fine day out.
It is a shame that Steve Powell is not posting to this website, he is the real expert. Now if you were to ask me anything about Talybont.........................

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Posted: 08/12/2007 12:43:54
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Its my understanding that when the severn sisters were filled in it was using a specific rock that would not contaminate what is already there .. so if / when they come to excavate it again , they can do so quite easily without taking out or leaving behind the wrong pieces !(And this is the plan for the rest of the mines if they don't get the funding this weekend ). Is this right that or am I too gullible in believing what I was told ? And how much damage would have been caused by the whole process of filling in anyway ?


The black Country Urban Park bid is one of four now left competing for the lottery millions .. online & telephone voting started yesterday and will close on Monday at midday. The winning region will be announced on Wednesday night on the late evening news on Central/Itv television. The other conteners are 'Sustrans' a bid for cyclepaths & footpaths countrywide , the Eden project who are asking for funding for another biosphere , and Sherwood Forest who want to construct a huge visitor centre/viewing platform .. All worthy causes .But I can't help but think the Black country bid to save the limestone caverns should win ! Big Grin

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Posted: 10/12/2007 10:41:17
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I am sorry but I know nothing of the material used to fill in the Seven Sisters, it was however reported in newspapers as you say. Other caverns were filled in permanantly with a special concrete mixture.
I would not be too optimistic about the Black Country Urban Park winning the lottery bid, the Sustrans bid is very Politically Correct, nothing against cyclists but there are cycle paths everywhere now that hardly anyone uses.
In the current polital climate I cannot help but think that anything that is 'anti car', 'alternative energy', 'sustainable transport' etc, etc will always come out on top.
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Posted: 10/12/2007 11:15:02
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royfellows wrote:

the Sustrans bid is very Politically Correct, nothing against cyclists but there are cycle paths everywhere now that hardly anyone uses.
In the current polital climate I cannot help but think that anything that is 'anti car', 'alternative energy', 'sustainable transport' etc, etc will always come out on top.
RF


To say nothing of them (Sustrans) preventing reuse of railway track bed for - wait for it - railways! Off Topic Oops


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Posted: 13/12/2007 08:24:58
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Well .. as expected .. the politically correct 'sustrans' bid won .. I was surprised to hear that the Eden project came in second because everyone I had contact with seemed to think it already has enough money to play with . The Black Country bid came 3rd ..
Thank you for responding to me and putting up with me as someone who knows very little about your subject . I hope maybe some of my photo's were of interest .
One good thing to come of this is that I now think I should learn a little more about my local industrial history .. ( I'm usually caught up in 14th century battle reenactments and think its time to move forward a bit ! )

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Posted: 13/12/2007 13:58:22
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I doubt that anyone who uses this site appreciate just how well organised associations such as Sustrans are when it comes to generating 'public opinion', and the degree of orchestration is unbelievable. This goes for most pressure groups, who often become tails that wag the dog.
My kind of "walkways" are no walkways. Dinoric for instance is a fascinating place that has (so far) managed to escape "the politically correct sanitisation of our coutryside". This quote is not original to me, its attributable to Robert Protheroe Jones and sums up the threat to our countryside in a rather neat way.
The Eden Project coming in second place is of no surprise to me as it must be one of the wonders of world, I visit the place regularly. Best time is if you are down there for the Easter break, forget the peak holiday weeks. It also enjoys a lot of publicity, not to mention people who have visited the place spreading recommendation by word of mouth.

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Posted: 13/12/2007 14:44:44
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How many people actually USE these cycleways? Very much a minority interest. The amount of work that goes into making them, I wonder how "sustainable" that is? Oops Off Topic

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Posted: 13/12/2007 16:52:44
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JohnnearCfon wrote:

How many people actually USE these cycleways? Very much a minority interest. The amount of work that goes into making them, I wonder how "sustainable" that is? Oops Off Topic


I do. Especially in the Forest of Dean. Sustrains manage to get a bridge built at the other entrance to the Cardigan Wildlife park. Saves a round trip of 3 - 4 miles. Off Topic

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Posted: 13/12/2007 20:40:30
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Hi

Re: Dudley Mines - my dad was involved in surveying the mines in the 60's for the local firebrigade, so they had something to work from if they ever needed to carry out a rescue operation down the mines, he even talks of a through trip they did from the Wrens Nest coming up in Dudley Zoo. I have a few paragraphs from a recent email from him describing their expolits - i could post them on here if anyone is interested..?

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