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Posted: 13/01/2012 03:59:48
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I still have a couple of the Tesco AA LED torches (the old ones not the weak and crappy new ones) and have noticed that some makes of AA batteries are a tight fit and some will not fit at all.
Anyone else encountered this annoying problem?

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Posted: 13/01/2012 06:01:19
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I have but it was some years ago now, in the mid 90's. I bought what was then a leading edge Garmin navigational device. No matter what reputable brand of AA battery I used they were always a tight fit. In fact I seem to remember that after use the batteries tended to swell.
I wrote to Garmin about it at the time, to no avail. Finally one got completely stuck. I've never bought another Garmin product since.

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Posted: 13/01/2012 10:14:16
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I too had this problem with an old Garmin GPS unit, but no similar problem with my Tesco 2AA torch (1W version). IP: 93.97.126.165
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Posted: 13/01/2012 10:32:14
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No help to you, but the batteries have always been a little loose in mine. The only thing that indicates is maybe some variation in the body machining tolerances.



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Posted: 13/01/2012 12:36:03
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Hi Roy
Your problem relates entirely to swelling of the cells usually caused by them getting hot while charging. Some of the AA chargers available are not fit for purpose.
If they get really hot they can actually burst.

Its possible that certain brands of cell may be more susceptible to this than others as well.

There is something about this on ME


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Posted: 13/01/2012 12:36:30
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Roy Morton wrote:

I still have a couple of the Tesco AA LED torches (the old ones not the weak and crappy new ones) and have noticed that some makes of AA batteries are a tight fit and some will not fit at all.
Anyone else encountered this annoying problem?


I have noticed this recently on nearly all my flash guns and some of my cameras that take AA, not only that but the stated capacities of the batteries vary immensly too.

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Posted: 13/01/2012 23:31:52
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royfellows wrote:

Hi Roy
Your problem relates entirely to swelling of the cells usually caused by them getting hot while charging. Some of the AA chargers available are not fit for purpose.
If they get really hot they can actually burst.

Its possible that certain brands of cell may be more susceptible to this than others as well.

There is something about this on ME


A good point Roy, but I've just bought a brand new set and they do not fit. My old and tired Energiser NiMh cells still fit after years of punishment. I was looking for cells with a higher capacity...no probs...they fit my S9600 OK Thumbs Up

If I remember I'll mike up a few and see what the variance is.
Makes you wonder what the industry tolerance is supposed to be Confused

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Posted: 19/01/2012 13:18:32
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I had this issue with one of my back-up lights a few years ago (a small single AA LED lamp), so I did a bit of "research" into the problem.

Initially I thought I'd fix the problem by removing the plastic sheath from the battery; it fitted in, but shorted on the metal light casing so it was on all the time...

It seems the higher capacity batteries push the limits of the standard size for a AA battery. Rechargeables are the worst offenders.
If Wikipedia is to be trusted, the diameter of a AA can be anywhere between 13.5 and 14.5mm.

Obviously for a small compact unit, the manufacturer will make the battery housing as small as possible, hence the occasional problem when the limits are pushed from both sides!

I get around the problem now by keeping a new non-rechargeable battery in this light which I replace from time to time, so my back-up should always work!

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Posted: 19/01/2012 15:57:29
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any AA batteries that are on the tight side I strip off the plastic cover and replace it once round with thin brown packing tape does the job and is the right width.

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Posted: 20/01/2012 03:56:09
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Finally...! I have just had a micrometer session and assembled a collection of 8 different AA batteries; 6 Rechargeable NiMh
and two Alkaline.
These are the results in millimeters, taken across the broadest part of the battery ie on the seam of the plastic cover;-

GP (RC) 1600 mAh = 14.11
Energiser (RC) 1850 mAh = 14.06
Uniross (RC) 1300 mAh = 14.10
Hähnel (RC) 1800 mAh = 14.20
Fameart (RC) 2700 mAh = 14.88 Shocked
PROFiTEXX (RC) 3200 mAh = 14.78
Duracell (Alk) = 14.06
Kodak (Alk) = 14.07

My 2 Tesco torches will not accept anything over 14.11mm

So much for ISO Roll Eyes

In addition, The best rechargeable performers so far have been the Energiser and the Uniross. Both have had severe punishment and have, IMHO performed above and beyond the call of duty; and are still doing so after 6 years....Thumb Up




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Posted: 20/01/2012 10:37:26
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Roy Morton wrote:

Finally...! I have just had a micrometer session and assembled a collection of 8 different AA batteries; 6 Rechargeable NiMh
and two Alkaline.
These are the results in millimeters, taken across the broadest part of the battery ie on the seam of the plastic cover;-

GP (RC) 1600 mAh = 14.11
Energiser (RC) 1850 mAh = 14.06
Uniross (RC) 1300 mAh = 14.10
Hähnel (RC) 1800 mAh = 14.20
Fameart (RC) 2700 mAh = 14.88 Shocked
PROFiTEXX (RC) 3200 mAh = 14.78
Duracell (Alk) = 14.06
Kodak (Alk) = 14.07

My 2 Tesco torches will not accept anything over 14.11mm

So much for ISO Roll Eyes

In addition, The best rechargeable performers so far have been the Energiser and the Uniross. Both have had severe punishment and have, IMHO performed above and beyond the call of duty; and are still doing so after 6 years....Thumb Up




The Fameart are total rubbish Roy, China at its worst.

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Posted: 20/01/2012 10:48:43
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Or is that China at its best?

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Posted: 21/01/2012 03:56:01
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All that remains to be asked now is....which brand/brands of AA batteries do you think offer the best performance or value for money etc. and for what purposes are you using them?

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Posted: 21/01/2012 09:26:55
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Take a look at these and read what people are saying:

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/maxuss-1-2v-3000mah-ni-mh-aa-rechargeable-batteries-2-pack-7729

I have been using them for about 18 months now. They are certainly not 3000 mAh, more like 2600 mAh, but still outstanding value at $5.72 USD which is £3.68 plus PayPal fees.

Mine do not seem to have lost any capacity.

However, DX description is nonsense as it often is, they are not 1.2V, fresh off the charger I get 1.46V. They are probably giving the 1.2V as a nominal voltage.

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Posted: 21/01/2012 16:35:59
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Regarding alkaline AAcells:
Which? magazine usually has a winter test and in the December 2011 issue the Duracell and Energizer best buys are the most expensive, but the cheapest with a similar performance are Aerocell from Lidl at £1.99 for 8.
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Posted: 26/01/2012 12:37:43
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My Tesco 3 watt AA torch was very tight when new, but I reamed it out.

Lidl rechargeables seem to me to last well, using the Lidl charger. But when they fail it's dramatic - not a gradual tail off.
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Posted: 26/01/2012 13:04:33
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I've found these Extreme type to be very good, they seem to carry a higher voltage off the charger and work well in one of my Canon cameras and I found them to last very well.



http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8-x-Extreme-2900-mAh-AA-NiMH-Rechargeable-Batteries-/190323663032?pt=UK_ConsumerElectronics_Batteries_SM&hash=item2c502ca0b8


I did have some orange ones can't remember the make, but they hardly ran the camera at all, as straight from the charger upon fitting them into the camera the battery low indicator came on, plus I only got a handful of shots with them.

Now going to change all my AA batteries over to these .

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Posted: 30/01/2012 02:10:20
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Brakeman, can you give me an accurate diameter measurement for those cells. They sound like just the ticket.

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Posted: 30/01/2012 07:14:38
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NickPeak wrote:

Regarding alkaline AAcells:
Which? magazine usually has a winter test and in the December 2011 issue the Duracell and Energizer best buys are the most expensive, but the cheapest with a similar performance are Aerocell from Lidl at £1.99 for 8.


Maplin usually do very well in Which? and I think they did very well in The Gadget Show's test, they come in at about the same cost (£2-3 for 8, or 24 for £5-10) depending on the offers on at the time). I know I work for them, but I buy and use the things too, my backup lights are powered by them.

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Posted: 30/01/2012 08:45:55
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For suitable equipment, the Maplin Extralonglife+ (lithium iron disulphide) came second in the recent Which? test and at £3.99 for four, a better bargain than the equivalent Energizer Ultimate Lithium at £7. I expect that staff discount helps as well. Thumbs Up

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