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Posted: 15/09/2011 11:15:19
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Maybe a bit of an odd one, this, but being a great lover of classical music, I started to think of pieces which have been inspired by, or feature mines and caves.There probably isn't a great deal, but among those that spring immediately to mind are: -

Richard Wagner's music drama " Der ring des Nibelungen"
which may have in part, inspired the writings of J. R.R. Tolkien
also Sergei Prokofiev's ballet "The Stone Flower" which I was fortunate to see on DVD recently.
And last but not least: the tone poem "Fingal's Cave" by Felix Mendelssohn.

Can anyone think of more such references in any type of music? I suspect there will be quite a lot in authentic old folk songs in which I also have an interest, but have not had much time to research. Apart from classical music, I am mostly ignorant of other musical genres.

On a related subject, the part that music itself played in the lives of miners in Wales and elsewhere, is also a very interesting line of study, which I am keen to hear more about.



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Posted: 15/09/2011 11:54:14
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Grieg's "Hall of the Mountain King" of course....

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Posted: 15/09/2011 12:09:22
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AR wrote:

Grieg's "Hall of the Mountain King" of course....


Oh dear, forgot about that one, and it's very popular too Sad

When I was in Cwmorthin back in May, I coudn't stop thinking about Wagner's " Der ring des Nibelungen" I have recently seen, and heard of, a number of what I consider "rubbish" productions of this great master-work. The one I saw a couple of years ago was visually dreadful and that's probably not going to be the last of them unfortunatly!

I can't help but think a production based on Cwmorthin and surroundings would be just what is needed to bring true greatness and atmosphere back to stagings of this work! Smartass

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Posted: 15/09/2011 12:09:24
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Lee Dorsey - "Working in a coal mine"
Tennessee Ernie Ford - "Sixteen tons".

I expect there will be a lot more C&W ones, but those are fairly well known.



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Posted: 15/09/2011 12:15:34
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Anything written in a miner key?

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Posted: 15/09/2011 12:32:24
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UK mining songs are pretty well covered in Bert Lloyd's book "Come all ye bold miners"

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Posted: 16/09/2011 09:25:51
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Blue Sky Mine - Midnight Oil - Not UK related though Wink IP: 2.221.227.198
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Posted: 16/09/2011 09:46:47
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Hall of the Mountain grill - hawkwind!

Glad you copped the Oil's blue sky mine, that's a rare one!!

(Infact its on my iplod that does go underground in its own speshull little box - incanhaztunesundergound!!)

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Posted: 16/09/2011 09:50:52
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dwarrowdelf wrote:



I can't help but think a production based on Cwmorthin and surroundings would be just what is needed to bring true greatness and atmosphere back to stagings of this work! Smartass


OOOOHHHHH!! - THAT tickles the old performing arts button that does, the technical challenge of a full concert orchestra in cwm, as opposed to 'phil and 'is 'armonnica!! lolz

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Posted: 16/09/2011 09:59:00
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Rick Wakeman's "Journey to the centre of the earth"

This and Jeff Wayne's "War of the Worlds" are my favourite music.

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Posted: 16/09/2011 10:05:09
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Wormster wrote:


OOOOHHHHH!! - THAT tickles the old performing arts button that does, the technical challenge of a full concert orchestra in cwm, as opposed to 'phil and 'is 'armonnica!! lolz



A full concert orchestra in Cwm? ! That really would bring the house down, or rather the roof Crying

I have often thought that a string quartet would sound nice in those chambers, after all they play 'chamber music' Big Grin

On a more serious NOTE though, I am indeed interested in the acoustics in there. Smartass

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Posted: 16/09/2011 12:44:25
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Ok if not a full orchestra, hows about a trad male voice choir!! - that'd be fun to record!

Prompts for a "mine explorers chorus!" me thinks Tongue

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Posted: 16/09/2011 17:40:44
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Am currently listening to a classical piece called 'Concert for piano, violin and string quartet' by late 19th century French composer, Ernest Chausson, to be followed by the equally lovely Piano Quartet in A major by the same composer. These pieces would sound rather nice in Cwmorthin, especially with the trickling water effects from the piano!

However, said piano would be rather difficult to manoeuvre in there!: - Have had a sudden vision of it becoming wedged on the Cwm Back Vein Incline in place of the famous truck! Laugh

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Posted: 16/09/2011 17:43:03
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How about the 7 Dwarves - Hi Ho,Hi Ho it's off to work we go.

(rumour has it the dwarves weren't - the Brothers Grimm very probably wrote about the child miners in the Harz Mountains - the fate of the children in the Pied Piper of Hamlin is probably a similar business, sold into "slavery" in the mines )

BeeGees - New York Mining Disaster

In Germany there's "Glückauf, Glückauf, der Steiger kommt" that's always sung at miners' funerals.

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Posted: 16/09/2011 17:50:53
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A miner key, Peter?
Only if it's played by Ornette Coalman Wink
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Posted: 16/09/2011 18:20:14
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Johnny Cash
Big bad John




Big John
Big John

Every mornning at the mine, you could see him arrive.
He stood 6 foot 6, weighed 245.
Kind of broad at the shoulders, narrow at the hip.
And everybody knew you didn't give no lip to Big John.

Big John
Big John
Big Bad John
Big John

Nobody seemed to know where John called home
He just drifted into town and stayed all alone.
He didn't say much, kind of quiet and shy
And if you spoke at all, you'd just said hi to Big John.
Somebody said he came from New Orleans,
Where he got into a fight over a Cajun Queen.
And a crash and a blow from a huge right hand,
sent a Lousiana fella to the promise land.

Big John
Big John
Big bad John
Big John

Then came the day at the bottom of the mine,
when a timber cracked and men started crying.
Minors were praying, and hearts beat fast
and everybody thought they had breathed thier last
cept' John.
Through the dust and the smoke of this man made hell,
walked a giant of a man that the minors knew well.
Grabbed a sagging timber and gave out with a groan,
and like a giant oak tree he just stood there alone, Big John

Big John
Big John
Big Bad John
Big John

And with all of his strength, he gave a mighty shove.
Then a minor yelled out, 'theres a light up above!'.
And 20 men scrambled from a 'would be' grave
now theres only one left down there to save, Big John.
With jacks and timbers, they started back down,
then came that rumble way down in the ground.
And as smoke and gas smelched out of that mine,
everybody knew it was the end of the line, for Big John.

Big John
Big John
Big Bad John
Big John

Now they never re-opend that wortheless pit,
they just placed a marble stand in front of it.
These few words are written on that stand,
'At the bottom of this mine, lies one Hell of a man, Big John'

Big John
Big John
Big Bad John
Big John.
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Posted: 16/09/2011 18:23:28
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Hymn Gressford

You've heard of the Gresford Disaster,
Of the terrible price that was paid;
Two hundred and sixty-four colliers were lost,
And three men of the rescue brigade.

It occurred in the month of September
At three in the morning the pit
Was racked by a violent explosion
In the Dennis where gas lay so thick.

Now the gas in the Dennis deep section
Was packed there like snow in a drift,
And many a man had to leave the coal-face
Before he had worked out his shift.

Now a fortnight before the explosion,
To the shotfirer Tomlinson cried,
"If you fire that shot we'll be all blown to hell!"
And no one can say that he lied.

Now the fireman's reports they are missing
The records of forty-two days;
The collier manager had them destroyed
To cover his criminal ways.

Down there in the dark they are lying.
They died for nine shillings a day;
They have worked out their shift and now they must lie
In the darkness until Judgement Day.

Now the Lord Mayor of London's collecting
To help out the children and wives;
The owners have sent some white lilies
To pay for the poor colliers' lives.

Farewell, all our dear wives and our children
Farewell, all our comrades as well,
Don't send your sons down the dark dreary mine
They'll be doomed like the sinners in hell.
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Posted: 16/09/2011 19:59:11
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That last one was well covered on the seminal 'Morris On' album with various Fairports featuring.... IP: 81.108.217.215
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Posted: 16/09/2011 22:44:42
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Here's another one, from the North East of England

The Trimdon Grange Explosion (written in 1882)

I remember Alan Price did a version of it many, many moons ago (me showing my age)

Let's not think of tomorrow,
Lest we disappointed be;
Our joys may turn to sorrow,
As we all may daily see.
Today we're strong and healthy,
But how soon there comes a change.
As we may see from the explosion
That has been at Trimdon Grange.

Men and boys left home that morning
For to earn their daily bread,
Little thought before the evening
They'd be numbered with the dead;
Let us think of Mrs Burnett,
Once had sons and now has none -
With the Trimdon Grange explosion,
Joseph, George and James are gone.

February left behind it
What will never be forgot;
Weeping widows, helpless children
May be found in many a cot.
Little children kind and loving
From their homes each day would run;
For to meet their father's coming
As each hard day's work was done.

Now they ask if father's left them,
And the mother hangs her head,
With a weeping widow's feelings,
Tells the child its father's dead.
Homes that once were blessed with comfort
Guided by a father's care
Now are solemn, sad and gloomy,
Since the father is not there.

God protect each lonely widow,
Help to raise each drooping head;
Be a Father to the orphans,
Never let them cry for bread.
Death will pay us all a visit;
They have only gone before.
We may meet the Trimdon victims
Where explosions are no more.
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Posted: 17/09/2011 07:09:04
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droid wrote:

That last one was well covered on the seminal 'Morris On' album with various Fairports featuring....


It was the Albion Band, not the Morris On Band who did an epic version of the Gresford Disaster on 1978's "Rise Up Like The Sun", but they're both Fairport spin-offs!

The Trimdon Grange Explosion was written by Durham pitman Tommy Armstrong, who produced quite a corpus of songs and poetry about colliers and coal mining in the late 19th and early 20th century

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