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Liskeard and Caradon Railway: theft
Posted: 15/05/2010 17:37:57
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I'm sorry to have to report that an irreplaceable artefact has been stolen from the trackside of the former Liskeard and Caradon Railway at High Wood, just north of Moorswater in Cornwall. The granite 8 Mile marker was uprooted from the ground, dragged down an embankment and taken away some time in the last four weeks. Scoggan, a member of this Forum, has photographed it whilst it was in situ and the picture can be found in the relevant album. This marker joins the Eight and a Half Mile post which I photographed in situ in 1964 but which has also vanished. Given that the L and CR is a key element in the World Heritage site and could once more form an important access route to it, this crime is unforgiveable. I'd appeal to any members who catch sight of this milestone - or any of the missing ones in places they shouldn't be - to contact Liskeard Police without delay.

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Liskeard and Caradon Railway: theft
Posted: 15/05/2010 17:52:29
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This, presumably?

Roughly how big is it?

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Liskeard and Caradon Railway: theft
Posted: 15/05/2010 18:08:17
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Alec, very sad and disappointing Angry !
I shall ensure the railwayana fraternity are made aware and if it pops up I'll ensure the relevent authority is informed... Who owned it in theory?

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Liskeard and Caradon Railway: theft
Posted: 15/05/2010 18:11:11
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The very one. They're of a standard size and format: the visible portion is around 2.5 to 3 feet tall and 1 foot wide. Having never seen one uprooted it's difficult to say how much is 'planted' but let's say for argument's sake about the same is underground as appears on the surface.

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Posted: 15/05/2010 18:13:42
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Judging by gravestones, I'd imagine that there's at least 50% of what's exposed under the surface, so that's a minimum of 4'6" and probably 5'.

That is a *very* big lump of rock and it's taken someone very determined to remove it.

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Liskeard and Caradon Railway: theft
Posted: 15/05/2010 18:13:49
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These are no meanfeat to move! Bet there's another 2 foot buried...

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Liskeard and Caradon Railway: theft
Posted: 15/05/2010 18:15:27
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Icklok, thanks for the commiserations. Iain Rowe, the newly-appointed Caradon District Heritage Officer, advises me that the Duchy of Cornwall is the landowner. There's some irony that I gave a presentation to around 40 interested folk at Liskeard Museum on 29 April in which I listed this milepost among other artefacts as being 'at risk' evidence.

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Liskeard and Caradon Railway: theft
Posted: 15/05/2010 18:28:28
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This will be an enthusiast justifying the theft as keeping it safe no doubt..! We have had a couple of early railway/tramway bdry markers similar go recently up here, 1 was even on Ebay eventually!!!... I just don't tell anybody where they are now!

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Posted: 16/05/2010 14:59:12
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I've just read this, what on earth is in the mind-set of these people?
About ten years ago up to forty stone sets disappeared from the Redruth & Chasewater at Hale Mills each one weighing well over 1cwt, and then of course there is the stove from the Caban at Dinorwic that had to be dragged down a mountain.
I just cannot understand them. Cursing

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Posted: 16/05/2010 15:49:21
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Me too mate.... me too!
I cannot stand these people who claim to be removing stuff for safe keeping .... at least those who steal to sell it are doing it for illegal gain and know the consequences.... castration being my preferred punishment Smile trouble is they aint gonna rob something like this for a couple of fixes given the weight size and speciality of the item. .
Whilst I get removing stuff as I have done (many a time as the bulldozers literally moved in) I simply cannot get to grip with basic vandalism such as this where the stuff is basically heavily planted and ok where sat! So totally pointless. They will remove it, plant it in their garden then eventually die leaving it to be sold again in a local auction or similar for sweet FA... myself I have offered whatever was removed for nothing to whatever local society might value it... least I know where it went! Smile
Trouble is everything has a value these days and sadly its mostly those with a partial interest or a knowledge that somethings rare that are to blame... god help anyone who offers this into railwayana circles... they will get short shrift and a quick drop to the law based on experience... we hate this! Angry
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Liskeard and Caradon Railway: theft
Posted: 16/05/2010 16:33:23
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At least these days we have a massive tool at our disposal namely the INTERNET let's hope it will go some way to catching these despots

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Posted: 16/05/2010 16:35:21
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Judging from their very clear responses, Icklok and Spitfire will probably recognise the my fury at L and CR theft - and others like them. Not only is there irreparable physical damage done to a real local (and international) resource, but the context in which it is placed has gone for ever.

If we are to give whatever opportunity there may be of resurrecting the L and CR - certainly the remaining stretches of it 'off the moor' - as a walking route from Moorswater to the Caradon mines and quarries - every single remnant like the granite level crossing gates, granite milestones (some inscribed with the name of their location - I now daren't reveal where this is) needs urgent protection.

The theme of my presentation at Liskeard Museum on 29 April was the need to reinterpret the last years of the L and CR, those under GWR ownership, in the light of 'new' documentation and the
physical remains from that period. The reason, quite simply, is that the end for the 'Caradon branch' may not have come in 1917 as most writers seem to think. If the physical evidence is being stolen, we may not be able to rewrite these 'lost years'. Scoggan e-mailed me a picture he had taken a few days before my talk of a bonfire of GWR post and wire fencing that had survived along the Duchy woodlands at High Wood since 1909. The fencing was evidence of the GWR's huge £170 000 investment in the Caradon line in 1909. What will go next?

We can only wish Iain Rowe all the luck in the world for his new job as Caradon Heritage District Manager - and keep our eyes open for the 2 mileposts that have vanished from the High Wood stretch.

Sorry about the rant, all.

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Liskeard and Caradon Railway: theft
Posted: 16/05/2010 17:05:00
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Noooo..... rant away... the more we all rant the more these pr*cks have nowhere to run. I genuinely find these so called collectors/thieves (who know the value.... don't you!) are less inclined to hang on to their stolen prize... oft deciding to hand it in on the grounds it just came to them! (They can't bear to wreck it as they oft know its real HISTORIC value and oft have some knowledge of its value)

The net on the whole is as good as it is bad... Several items I know of have been returned ... (quite by chance of course!! Angry .

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Posted: 16/05/2010 17:13:09
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I think the places to look at, are not railwayana sites but architectural reclamation yards, just the type of thing some Yuppie would love in their garden

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Posted: 16/05/2010 18:06:50
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It's been a problem for many years, used to be bridge signs and GWR boundary posts in South Wales. Cursing IP: 86.31.12.76 Edited: 16/05/2010 18:07:29 by Morlock
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Liskeard and Caradon Railway: theft
Posted: 16/05/2010 18:19:32
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There was a Castiron Great Western Boundry Marker very close to where that Mile Post was, It was stolen in the early 1970's. It makes you very angry. IP: 86.156.178.81
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Posted: 16/05/2010 18:26:44
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Sorry but I think its going to be 'specialist railwayana'... not being funny but most architectural specialists would not have a clue nor would their yuppie clients!! I have seen this many times with sleeper blocks, plates and signs... they all end up at rail sales even if it takes a decades... the most recent being a CHPR item very obviously stolen afew years ago!!! The other recent classic was a Pinxton and Mansfield Rly stone boundry stone nicked from Riddings 8 years ago... Scumbags must have been at it for days as it weighed in excess of 400kg... there was even a more recent item from the same railway offered too...

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Liskeard and Caradon Railway: theft
Posted: 28/02/2011 09:37:25
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I posted the notice of the stolen '8 mile' stone from the Liskeard and Caradon Railway at Woodhill last May and was heartened by the response. Just a reminder, if I may, to all, to keep eyes open for this artefact should it appear in Ebay listings, 'salvage' yards, someone's landscaped garden, etc etc.

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Posted: 28/02/2011 09:50:14
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My friend is in the Milestone Society and they are finding Milestones vanising the same. They have had the police get some back off ebay.
Complaints to ebay would stop them being offerred

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Liskeard and Caradon Railway: theft
Posted: 28/02/2011 10:44:55
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There is a possibility here that everyone has missed, that they may be getting stolen to incorporate into building projects.
Some years ago I was talking to someone in Cornwall who had just had their house extended and I was told that they had to pay £70 each for granite lintels.
Obviously, if this is the case they will be lost for good.

Of course, if this is the case, it may indicate possible places to look, building projects where local planning insists that new work must be "sympathetic and harmonious" to the area, being of granite constructed dwellings.

This is where a lot of the old granite gate posts are going to.

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