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grahami

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Posted: 08/10/2009 09:51:38
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A long time ago, on one of my early Cwmorthin explorations,(the same one where we tried the flare...) having got rather wet down on E at the head of the incline to G, we decided to have lunch and dry out by candlelight to conserve the caplamp power. It takes a good twenty minutes or more, but once your eyes have adapted to the level of illumination (and you are careful not to look directly at the candle) it is quite surprising just how much light the candle throws. These modern tricks of turning out the lamps and then almost immediately seeing how dark it appears by candlelight create entirely the wrong impression.

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Posted: 08/10/2009 10:12:05
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that's true. I've noticed this at Combe Down, where I walk down the stairs into the roadways and go abruptly from daylight to caplamp.

civil engineering tunnels don't give this impression, because they usually are lit by festoon bulbs or other area lighting. Large mine workings like Boulby are quite dark out of the range of the local area lighting, but of course you have the transition via the cage to accustom your eyes

plus, of course, a lot of the time it is really done for effect anyway, with a tour party who are only there quite briefly
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Posted: 08/10/2009 10:32:53
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Indeed.

I user to be int amateur astronomy.

It takes about for the eye to become fully night sensitive. And a fraction of a second to lose that sensitivity (put that light out).

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Posted: 08/10/2009 11:55:10
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stevem wrote:

Did a trip in Cwmorthin a while back with oil lamps, courtesy of MM. Took a while to get used to the light but once we did it was really atmospheric.
Went down to G caban and brewed tea and had lunch by oil lamp...
Good day, worth doing, just for the experience...


Yeah, that was a good trip! It takes ages, but once your eyes get used to it, it's not so bad. I did revert to my modern light before too long though... I think MM did the whole trip with just his oil-lamp though!
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Posted: 08/10/2009 21:50:14
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grahami wrote:

A long time ago, on one of my early Cwmorthin explorations,(the same one where we tried the flare...) having got rather wet down on E at the head of the incline to G, we decided to have lunch and dry out by candlelight to conserve the caplamp power. It takes a good twenty minutes or more, but once your eyes have adapted to the level of illumination (and you are careful not to look directly at the candle) it is quite surprising just how much light the candle throws. These modern tricks of turning out the lamps and then almost immediately seeing how dark it appears by candlelight create entirely the wrong impression.

Grahami
Thats a realy interesting point.im looking forword to see what its like
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Posted: 09/10/2009 12:27:39
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Speaking from a coal (not the most light refective of surfaces) mining perspective on this. I did a pre-shift inspection entirly by flame saftey lamp once & also spent a couple of hours hand-holing also with FSL as only light. Quite small passages with plenty of time for eyes to aclimatise - couldn't see a bloody thing realy!
Not suprised coal miners suffered nystagmus before the introduction of caplamps.
On the other hand, once when digging in limestone envioroment, mates were amazed when I emerged with barest bud of flame on my carbide lamp - I'd not noticed!
Must be difference in wall light reflection.

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Posted: 08/01/2010 22:00:00
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james cartwright wrote:

The last time i was underground i thorght it might be a nice idea if there is engough intrest to plan a traditional style candle light mine trip to experience what it would have been like for the men back in the day.i was thinking northwales would be most convienent.let me know what you all think


Hi James, shall we set a date and sort this trip out?
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Posted: 09/01/2010 18:25:37
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what about carbide?

I've tried a candle-lit trip and what actually happened, was that I couldn't keep the candle on my hat. Wrong sort of clay and a plastic hard-hat.

there must be quite a few people with Premiers still in their sheds or lofts...
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Posted: 09/01/2010 18:58:01
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Wouldn't the old miners candles be different to modern candles and perhaps not as bright?

Would they be tallow or is that going back too far?
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Posted: 09/01/2010 19:08:37
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Originally tallow, surely?

Slightly off-topic, it might be interesting to do a "non-LED" trip - to recall the days when Maglites were king!

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Posted: 09/01/2010 19:28:38
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Vanoord wrote:

Originally tallow, surely?

Slightly off-topic, it might be interesting to do a "non-LED" trip - to recall the days when Maglites were king!


it's like Roy's tag-line... I used to have a lamp like that, too...
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Posted: 09/01/2010 19:59:41
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Derbyshire lead miners used tallow candles, which were much cheaper than bees wax candles, the later would have been used in the miners homes on special occasions. The candles were made from rendering down fat from animal carcasses, and the smell from them must have been obnoxious. These were made and sold by a Tallow Chandler (the name for a candle maker), there seemed to be a Tallow Chandler plying his trade in most villages. IP: 90.220.152.195
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Posted: 09/01/2010 20:22:41
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Maybe we make it an oil lamp trip. And do an Oldham nostalgia (no DL16s allowed) trip the following week Laugh IP: 83.148.135.213
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Posted: 09/01/2010 20:31:02
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sougher wrote:

Derbyshire lead miners used tallow candles, which were much cheaper than bees wax candles, the later would have been used in the miners homes on special occasions. The candles were made from rendering down fat from animal carcasses, and the smell from them must have been obnoxious. These were made and sold by a Tallow Chandler (the name for a candle maker), there seemed to be a Tallow Chandler plying his trade in most villages.


But would they be as bright as a modern (paraffin wax?) candle?

And can Roy build a custom super bright candle?
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Posted: 09/01/2010 20:51:10
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Tallow candles gave less light than paraffin wax candles. Cannot recall ever having seen hard figures on comparative light outputs - has any AN member encountered any? IP: 78.148.154.161
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Posted: 09/01/2010 21:55:52
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my daughter made a tallow candle as a school project a while ago, filthy smelly thing, smoked worse than my old nan...

I'd quite like to do a carbide trip, if only to be able to get the thing out without ttxela giving me the 'evil eye' ...
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Posted: 09/01/2010 22:09:13
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Graigfawr wrote:

Tallow candles gave less light than paraffin wax candles. Cannot recall ever having seen hard figures on comparative light outputs - has any AN member encountered any?


Some general info. Smile

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Posted: 10/01/2010 17:59:00
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Both us, at the Nenthead Mines Heritage Centre, and Killhope make use of tallow candles (should they be called tallow dips?) in our show mines. They are made for us by 'Candle Ted' in his candle factory in Alston.
If you want a supply let me know.

Perhaps we ought to organise a tallow lit trip to the ballroom - might make a story and some PR for us?
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Posted: 10/01/2010 18:53:36
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PaulatNent wrote:

Perhaps we ought to organise a tallow lit trip to the ballroom - might make a story and some PR for us?


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Sounds a good idea to me!

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Posted: 11/01/2010 11:42:56
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I'm doing some research on conditions in mid 19th century hard rock mines. Do you remember if your daughter's tallow candle stank of anything in particular? IP: 78.33.90.206
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