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SimonRL

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Posted: 21/05/2009 18:02:07
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davel wrote:

One of the 'handful of cases' I can think of is Cwt y Bugail - do you use that for its original site or for Manod.


That's the one I was thinking of as well!

vanoord wrote:

It's probably worth putting all the other names in the description along with a short potted history, as this will increase the usefulness of the entry as a resource.


Definitely. If all mines had full descriptions it would go a long way to eliminating this problem - and an option to search in the description as well would be relatively trivial to add.

davel wrote:

However, I would argue that you need to be able to search on all the names, otherwise, if you come across a reference to say 'Hollands' how do you know that you need to look it up under 'Oakeley'?


I agree. But see my above responses.

1. I'll add all these features, but I do need a little time (there's only me to do the coding). I intend to spend a full day, as soon as work allows, improving the search routines and making the a-z lists etc. faster.

2. I think there is scope for an additional database table storing names for a mine in addition to the main 'identify as' name. This would allow for (say) a drop down as 'also known as', 'worked as' then a field for the name then fields for the dates applicable (if applicable). And searches would be extended into all of these.
IP: 83.148.135.213 Edited: 21/05/2009 18:21:12 by SimonRL
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Posted: 21/05/2009 19:56:58
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Vanoord wrote:

Without wishing to seem a bit cursory, I'd suggest that in all but a handful of cases there will be one name that is commonly accepted and that's the one that should be used!

It's all very well finding examples that have been known by multiple names, but in reality, the majority of mines are known by one name. For example: Oakeley is referred to as Oakeley, despite it previously being Lower Quarry, Middle Quarry, Hollands etc.

It's probably worth putting all the other names in the description along with a short potted history, as this will increase the usefulness of the entry as a resource.


With the greatest of respect Mr Vanoord I have to disagree.
The mine at Tal-y-bont which delighted some members of this site Sunday last was worked by a succession of companies. It was worked mainly under the names of Allt-y crib and Talybont. Note the hyphenated spelling of Allt-y-crib.
The correct spelling of Tal-y-bont is the hyphenated form; however none of the mining companies who worked under this name spelled it that way, so the appropriate spelling of the name of the mine in my opinion is Talybont.
Both of these names have been used, the Mineral Statistics lists information under both names.


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Posted: 21/05/2009 20:53:56
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Incorrect spelling of mine names isn't limited to the Welsh language. Was there not a "Brittania Mine" halfway up Snowdon? Or is "Brittania" the Welsh way to spell "Britannia"? It's all Greek to me anyway. Or is it Latin. Confused.....
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Posted: 21/05/2009 21:14:15
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And I am the nuisance who started all of this.
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Posted: 21/05/2009 21:23:06
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It's nothing to worry about Smile

Have a look at Alltycrib [web link] I've put both Alltycrib and Talybont in single word and hypenated form in the alternative name field. Should trap most searches.

And when I modify the search as a few people have pointed out to treat - _ and space then same it'll find it as Allt y Crib and Tal y Bont as well.

And at some point - although does anybody have any feedback on this - I'll extend the system so mines can have a main name (as they currently do) but also any number of alternative names, optionally with date ranges.

And then - a little later on - a day spent on really improving the search routines.

In the mean time, what's needed is a concerted effort to correctly classify the main name for any troublesome mines, and add the alternative names, and I think that an awful lot of mines would benefit from some description being entered. I'm not suggesting there's anything wrong with the descriptions on mines that already have descriptions (far from it, many are incredibly detailed) but there are an awful lot that don't yet have any description.

If the forum can be used to progress this then please feel free to do so. If there's an incorrect name, post it up (then it can be discussed rather than being changed without some consultation). If a mine is lacking a description, post it up. One of the regional editors or admins will pick up on it and edit the entry.

There's a lot that can be done with the site with it's current coding and search facilities. A lot comes down to correct data and good descriptions. And when that's all in place, and the new searching routines are added, it should really perform.
IP: 90.240.197.55 Edited: 21/05/2009 21:25:22 by SimonRL
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Posted: 22/05/2009 00:42:02
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Once more, well done Simon...Light at the end of the adit!
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