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Author UCET / Hendre (Lloyds) Spa Mines
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Posted: 05/12/2008 12:45:46
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If you want to visit you better do it quick.



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It appears negotaiations to fence off the hole and put a steel door in are under way.
An admission fee (£1) may also be applied and evidently accompanied access by the controlling club only

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Tweak: Link fixed, title modified and a couple of pics added - vanoord
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Hendre (Lloyds) Spa Mines
Posted: 05/12/2008 14:01:01
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Pity United Cavers Exploration Team don't stick to caves then!!
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Posted: 05/12/2008 14:14:00
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Posted: 05/12/2008 14:35:33
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Does anyone know the background to the negotiations mentioned?

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Posted: 05/12/2008 14:40:45
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Peter Burgess wrote:

Does anyone know the background to the negotiations mentioned?


Nothing more than is in the link.
In fairness there is a suggestion that a fence and warning signs cover liablities (which is absolutely true and more than sufficient)
The enterance is already fenced off and therefor liablity to the owner is taken care of.
It then continues on that a locked steel door and enterance fee are under consideration.
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Posted: 05/12/2008 14:51:51
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They're very naive if they think they can charge for entry and avoid any liabilities falling on them!

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Posted: 05/12/2008 14:57:33
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Many, many years of taking interested parties into underground sites (often not cavers as such), and being asked 'what do you charge?' has taught me that the answer 'nothing, but we welcome contributions to upkeep, maintenance etc' actually results in sufficient funds being donated, without the complexity of liability for a service provided etc etc. I suspect the "Friends of Cwmorthin" have an informal policy similar to this?

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Posted: 05/12/2008 15:03:35
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Peter Burgess wrote:

I suspect the "Friends of Cwmorthin" have an informal policy similar to this?


There is a donations box but it is purely voluntary.
It doesn't raise anything much tbh, litteraly a few quid a month on average.
Most of the funds for Cwmorthin come from online donations and projects such as Simon's calender work.

Anyway back to subject, should UCET decide to charge an entry fee they will suddenly find themselves in a whole world of legal difficulties. An admission fee turns access into something else entirely.
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Posted: 05/12/2008 15:08:10
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Don't mind the concept of a fence, sign etc but even if they don't charge and gate it, to have to be 'escorted' thru with a club member Thumb Down Thumb Down

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Posted: 05/12/2008 15:16:09
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stevem wrote:

Don't mind the concept of a fence, sign etc but even if they don't charge and gate it, to have to be 'escorted' thru with a club member Thumb Down Thumb Down


That's why I asked what the background was. Sounds like a PITA having to accompany anyone interested in visiting - a requirement imposed by a third party?

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Posted: 05/12/2008 15:26:04
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Peter Burgess wrote:

stevem wrote:

Don't mind the concept of a fence, sign etc but even if they don't charge and gate it, to have to be 'escorted' thru with a club member Thumb Down Thumb Down


That's why I asked what the background was. Sounds like a PITA having to accompany anyone interested in visiting - a requirement imposed by a third party?


It may end up being presented as such but it isn't reality.
I know that there is pretty much a competition round that area to see who can cap/gate the most mines,
In many cases the land owner is approached with an offer to secure any holes on his property and take the problem off his hands, even if he didn't know he had a problem in the 1st place.....
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Posted: 05/12/2008 15:42:56
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jagman wrote:

I know that there is pretty much a competition round that area to see who can cap/gate the most mines, ...


Why?

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Posted: 05/12/2008 16:28:12
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Grosvenor split from North Wales Club. UCET split from Grosvenor. I remember some years ago someone from the Grosvenor saying that Mick Murphy was setting something up with some young blood, and I'm assuming this became UCET.

NWCC control the Minera mines, GCC the Milwr, UCET ...
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Posted: 05/12/2008 17:32:53
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BertyBasset wrote:

Grosvenor split from North Wales Club. UCET split from Grosvenor. I remember some years ago someone from the Grosvenor saying that Mick Murphy was setting something up with some young blood, and I'm assuming this became UCET.

NWCC control the Minera mines, GCC the Milwr, UCET ...
Mick Murphy has indeed done just that starting UCET tho it has been up and running for some time now. myself and a fellow mine explorer were there at Hendre only yesterday. signs have been put in place basically saying danger keep out. however i would find it rather difficult for them to cap and gate this shaft its very big, unless they are going to remove the homemade ladders and gate the very small crawl into it. there are some more interesting ways of getting in anyway if you like srt

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Posted: 05/12/2008 17:51:27
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Aren't UCET the bunch who go round posting daft trip reports on YouTube with nonsense about "cave monsters"?

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Posted: 05/12/2008 17:54:37
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Vanoord wrote:

Aren't UCET the bunch who go round posting daft trip reports on YouTube with nonsense about "cave monsters"?


Yup, thats the ones
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Posted: 05/12/2008 17:57:22
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So access to said mine only with a club member......remind you of another mine very close by.........

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Posted: 05/12/2008 18:08:17
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Ah yes, thought it was one and the same. A little bit of digging produces this [web link] - someone who's 41 years old if the profile is to be believed...

There is a video of Cwmorthin, [web link] here, which is nothing short of acutely embarrassing.

Having (briefly) looked at several of these videos, all I can hope is that these people stop posting this nonsense: if there's a surefire way to get landowners to close off access, this is surely it. Cursing

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Posted: 05/12/2008 18:11:13
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jagman wrote:

Peter Burgess wrote:

I suspect the "Friends of Cwmorthin" have an informal policy similar to this?


Anyway back to subject, should UCET decide to charge an entry fee they will suddenly find themselves in a whole world of legal difficulties. An admission fee turns access into something else entirely.


Tell me about it. Far be it for us to advise UCET how to do their business, but if a charge is to be made, and it isn't done with complete transparency with the landowner, I can see a big can of worms being opened.

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Posted: 05/12/2008 19:00:27
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BertyBasset wrote:

Grosvenor split from North Wales Club. UCET split from Grosvenor. I remember some years ago someone from the Grosvenor saying that Mick Murphy was setting something up with some young blood, and I'm assuming this became UCET.

NWCC control the Minera mines, GCC the Milwr, UCET ...


So, is this some kind of turf war?

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