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Posted: 02/03/2020 00:24:10
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Our Government plans to make private sale of coal illegal from 2021, will this effect any new mine plans, what will happen to ex-miners that has free coal ?

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Posted: 02/03/2020 05:55:09
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The legislation will only affect wet wood (>20% moisture) & house coal, dry wood, anthracite and Smokeless fuel sales will carry on as normal.

More info which seems to imply solid fuel (smokeless?) will still be available to ex NCB employees.

https://www.gov.uk/national-concessionary-fuel-scheme
IP: 86.130.75.84 Edited: 02/03/2020 06:08:51 by Morlock
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Posted: 02/03/2020 10:05:39
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https://solidfuel.co.uk/solid-fuel-wood-burning-news/

This is about clean air rather than global warming, too many kids with asthma
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Posted: 02/03/2020 12:50:15
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The fallout of this legislation is also an issue, the heritage users of coal are in for some problems in the long term. Whilst the legislation makes the burning of coal for heritage users exempt from the ban that is only part of the story. Coal is only affordable for steam railways, traction engines, stationary steam etc because of the sale of lump coal for household use once this is banned the coal supply infrastructure will collapse.

Also as new coal production in the UK is not guaranteed the only supply maybe from Russia or the like, this causes more CO2 than local transport and also the price of the coal may increase significantly. This will make life for the heritage sector very difficult as their only option will be to increase visitor prices.

Most railway locomotives are sophisticated thoroughbreds and only really like to burn dry steam coal they will not burn the Russian coal so efficiently which will lead to more smoke and more notice from the 'ban everything brigade' Angry

Heritage steam is worth over £500 million pounds per year to the UK but the government don't seem to realise the problem, only time will tell what happens but it has a lot of people worried at the moment. Sad
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Posted: 02/03/2020 13:42:35
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I suspect dry steam coal will always be available for the heritage steam users. Plenty about at shallow depths. Possibly at elevated price.

http://www.cwfuels.co.uk/products/steam-coal/

Meanwhile in China until around 2018.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8grHpQAB1jA
IP: 86.132.4.69 Edited: 02/03/2020 13:44:21 by Morlock
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Posted: 02/03/2020 13:43:20
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Planning process seems like more of a threat but the coal ban is probably going to tip things over the edge: https://www.nymr.co.uk/as-the-government-moves-to-ban-coal-the-heritage-railway-association-calls-for-compromise

An old article but relevant to this discussion (if a little lengthy!): https://www.heritagerailway.co.uk/2015/from-our-archives-coal-fear-is-no-smoke-screen/

and some objections: https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/52183/proposed-ban-on-burning-of-house-coal-and-wet-wood
IP: 165.225.81.57 Edited: 02/03/2020 13:45:06 by Bodger
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Posted: 02/03/2020 14:05:30
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We have a heritage railway industry - perhaps its time to start a heritage mining industry.

Is there any left at the bottom of Big Pit, or anywhere else?

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Posted: 02/03/2020 14:21:03
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Apedale were trying to get a license to mine about 10 tonnes a year when I last went on the tour. IP: 86.131.182.9
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Posted: 03/03/2020 08:55:07
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Morlock wrote:

The legislation will only affect wet wood (>20% moisture) & house coal, dry wood, anthracite and Smokeless fuel sales will carry on as normal.

More info which seems to imply solid fuel (smokeless?) will still be available to ex NCB employees.

https://www.gov.uk/national-concessionary-fuel-scheme


I believe it also only applies to bagged small quantities, so you may not be able to buy those small plastic bags of coal or logs from the petrol station but you'll still be able to get the coal man to fill your bunker or a truckload of logs dropped off?
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Posted: 03/03/2020 09:58:50
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Yes, it would appear that one will still be able to have coal & logs delivered in quantity but the coal will have to be 'smokeless' (anthracite etc). I also believe the bulk log trade will carry on supplying 'wet' logs for air drying by the end user.
IP: 81.151.118.225 Edited: 03/03/2020 13:06:35 by Morlock
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Posted: 06/03/2020 15:06:23
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This global warming hissy fit of late by the likes of griselda thunderbox, can’t seem to explain why in the 1970’s and 80’s we were warned of a new ice age for Britain.
This too was associated with global warming.
The reverse now seems to be the latest thing for the wholemeal harriers to be short stroking about.
I wish they’d make up their minds. Do I buy a thick coat or sunscreen?
End of rant. ............for now.

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IP: 109.154.153.114 Edited: 06/03/2020 15:08:29 by Roy Morton
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Posted: 06/03/2020 15:18:27
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My observation is that those who seem to have an issue with Thunberg have ten times more hissy fits than the youngsters who are, quite understandably, concerned for their future. I would be too if I was young again.
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Posted: 06/03/2020 15:40:29
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On a lighter (and darker!) note, I like to remind myself sometimes that these innocent and enthusiastic youngsters might be running the care home I might be in at some time, and not to be too rude about them.... Big Grin IP: 91.125.14.182
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Posted: 06/03/2020 15:48:12
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I agree Peter, but my issue is with the plethora of contradictory And often ‘sexed up’ facts, many with weak or feeble merit..
I’ve followed the climate change phenomenon closely since the mid 1960s through magazines such as Scientific American.
Many of the models from that era still stand up today, and yes this is a global threat, but I do feel that a measure of sensibility needs to be applied rather than the knee-jerk ‘ban everything’ approach. Flowers

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Posted: 06/03/2020 16:09:10
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In the nicest possible way could we please keep off Anthropogenic Global Warming, we will have others coming in on it and then battle commence.

Certain subjects we try to avoid?

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Posted: 06/03/2020 17:00:29
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Peter Burgess wrote:

On a lighter (and darker!) note, I like to remind myself sometimes that these innocent and enthusiastic youngsters might be running the care home I might be in at some time, and not to be too rude about them.... Big Grin


As a 'Silver Surfer' who they blame for the current state of affairs you will probably be hosed down every morning.Big GrinLaugh
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Posted: 06/03/2020 19:45:48
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I can't wait Smile IP: 91.125.14.182
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Posted: 12/03/2020 15:01:16
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re: Is there any left?
Well there's plenty left in the Walton/Crofton area around Wakefield but the small scale operation suggested at Crofton seems to have fizzled out. It was in peril from HS2 (which wanted the site for a maintenance depot) but that bandwaggon has rolled to the outskirts of Leeds. I suspect planning and green issues are its main threat now. If we are to have any sort of steel industry in this country plus railway and canal heritage 'industry' how are they going to achieve those ends with no coal? and if we need it - how green is it when it's shipped from Russia, Aus or S.America? There must surely be enough 'carbon points' available to the UK to allow 2 or 3 small mines to supply our own internal needs.
IP: 90.196.151.127 Edited: 12/03/2020 15:05:22 by ncbnik
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Posted: 13/03/2020 00:10:23
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Heritage railway viewpoint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWNr9PnR6DU IP: 91.125.14.182
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