Mine exploration, photographs and mining history for mine explorers, industrial archaeologists, researchers and historians Mine explorer and mining history videos on YouTube Connect with other mine explorers on Facebook
Tip: do not include 'mine' or 'quarry', search by name e.g. 'cwmorthin', use 'Sounds like search' if unsure of spelling

Advanced Search
'Sounds like search'
Quick a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z
Tip: narrow down your search by typing more than one word and selecting 'Search for all words' or 'Exact search'

Search for any word
Search for all words
Exact search
Tip: narrow down your search by typing more than one word and selecting 'Search for all words' or 'Exact search'

Search for any word
Search for all words
Exact search

Mine Exploration Forum

Author Glyn Llugwy
Blober

Avatar of Blober

Joined: 16/12/2012
Location: Anglesey

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Glyn Llugwy
Posted: 08/11/2019 17:19:43
Reply |  Quote
Was wondering if anyone has any more information on the place? Are the upper adits accessible?

I've read that the engine shaft carries on below water and has false flooring, is this fairly noticable and can you go around this to carry on the level?

Cheers! Thumb Up

--

FILTH - Think this is a playground? Think again...
IP: 95.172.232.42
royfellows

Avatar of royfellows

Joined: 13/06/2007
Location: Great Wyrley near Walsall

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Glyn Llugwy
Posted: 08/11/2019 17:49:49
Reply |  Quote
Its been years since I was last in there, the deep adit is very wet and right by the side of the main road.

The upper adits are blocked but there is open stope to daylight by the side of the stream that connects with DA.

The area of the Engine Shaft at surface is very dangerous. Its overground and capped with concrete of uncertain integrity, there is a hole through in one place.

I am uncertain about any workings beyond Engine Shaft, I did not feel inclined to 'test' the false floor at the time of visit.

The woodlands were up for sale at one time but taken off the market, the reason for this could relate to the mine.

Been meaning to go back for about 25 years and photograph the stope.

--

'' as rare as a Cwmystwyth padlock''
IP: 92.23.163.235
Blober

Avatar of Blober

Joined: 16/12/2012
Location: Anglesey

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Glyn Llugwy
Posted: 08/11/2019 18:04:57
Reply |  Quote
Cheers for that Roy!

Any scope for getting up to the other levels from DA, any ladderways or will it be a bolting up job?

We're planning to get out there next Thursday

--

FILTH - Think this is a playground? Think again...
IP: 95.172.232.42
royfellows

Avatar of royfellows

Joined: 13/06/2007
Location: Great Wyrley near Walsall

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Glyn Llugwy
Posted: 08/11/2019 21:10:21
Reply |  Quote
I am only aware of one accessible higher level and that connects with DA at a slightly higher level at kings Cross, you will see inside, a little climb up of a few feet only. Left goes to deepening water so obviously the portal. Right to a forhead. I always thought it curious.

There is a plan in Rob Vernon's book and section. Two higher levels are shown, no 3 and Red level. I saw no sign of these. Also note that Engine Shaft is not shown.

I am talking from memory and its been about 25 years back, maybe longer. Best memory is of engine shaft, standing on the false floor it soars up on the left with what could be a passage beyond the stope across the water.

That is the only rise I can remember. Its probably changed somewhat in there as well over the years.

I must revisit.

--

'' as rare as a Cwmystwyth padlock''
IP: 92.23.163.235
Blober

Avatar of Blober

Joined: 16/12/2012
Location: Anglesey

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Glyn Llugwy
Posted: 09/11/2019 14:52:37
Reply |  Quote
Thanks Roy! Appreciate the help. We're checking it out this coming Thursday so hopefully all will be revealed. Thumb Up

--

FILTH - Think this is a playground? Think again...
IP: 95.172.232.42
royfellows

Avatar of royfellows

Joined: 13/06/2007
Location: Great Wyrley near Walsall

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Glyn Llugwy
Posted: 15/11/2019 14:22:00
Reply |  Quote
Nice photos, did you lower the water level?
And get any photos of the stope?

Oddly, I cannot remember the ladder, only the stope and the climb up to a higher level.

My impression, and this is from memory again, is that the lode runs along the stream bed and the deep adit is driven as a short crosscut.

I want to get back to some of these places when my work elsewhere is finished.

--

'' as rare as a Cwmystwyth padlock''
IP: 92.23.163.235
Blober

Avatar of Blober

Joined: 16/12/2012
Location: Anglesey

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Glyn Llugwy
Posted: 15/11/2019 15:35:45
Reply |  Quote
The deep adit definitely snakes a bit till it meets the lode.

We didn't do any water lowering suspect someone in the past has dropped it a fair old way.

We never did find the engine shaft Roy, we found one area that seemed to disappear underwater but there wasn't a shaft to surface from it.

--

FILTH - Think this is a playground? Think again...
IP: 82.132.246.251
royfellows

Avatar of royfellows

Joined: 13/06/2007
Location: Great Wyrley near Walsall

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Glyn Llugwy
Posted: 15/11/2019 17:32:50
Reply |  Quote
I will have to take another visit.

Thinking... was the area into deep water having anything like a collapse, rocks, timbers, whatever, over on the left?

Also, what could you see beyond this area?

Oh, by the way, the "oil can" is an "oil lamp", same as the one in Henfwlch.

--

'' as rare as a Cwmystwyth padlock''
IP: 92.23.163.235 Edited: 15/11/2019 17:37:44 by royfellows
Willy Eckerslyke

Avatar of Willy Eckerslyke

Joined: 03/11/2011
Location: Anglesey

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Glyn Llugwy
Posted: 15/11/2019 18:34:17
Reply |  Quote
royfellows wrote:

Oh, by the way, the "oil can" is an "oil lamp", same as the one in Henfwlch.

Thanks Roy, I've corrected the caption.

The deepest water was in a level a few feet higher than the main level. This photo was taken from the junction, looking down into main level, outby direction.



(click image to open full size image in new window)

It leads through increasingly deep water to the ladderway and onwards, ending in what we assumed to be a blocked adit.
The ladderway looks worthy of a return with aluminium ladders for a proper explore. (Incidentally, the presence of a short length of ladder coming up out of the water suggests a possible false floor.)
There's also another rise between them and the blockage, though it looked rather tight to me.
IP: 46.208.4.25
Willy Eckerslyke

Avatar of Willy Eckerslyke

Joined: 03/11/2011
Location: Anglesey

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Glyn Llugwy
Posted: 15/11/2019 18:46:14
Reply |  Quote
royfellows wrote:

And get any photos of the stope?


Sorry, no. There wasn't anywhere near it dry enough to put down and open my camera bag. Blush

This was above the possible false floor. We wondered if it was the area where you turned back, and mentioned an engine shaft?



(click image to open full size image in new window)

There isn't actually a shaft above. Below the water it's littered with timber and rather unpleasant but I could feel rock beneath - which might still be sitting on a false floor of course.

The level only goes on a few more yards - that's where we found the oil lamp.
IP: 46.208.4.25
royfellows

Avatar of royfellows

Joined: 13/06/2007
Location: Great Wyrley near Walsall

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Glyn Llugwy
Posted: 15/11/2019 20:42:48
Reply |  Quote
I think that you may have been able to get further then me and from my vantage point at that time it looked like the engine shaft coming in, but now we know its simply a high section of the roof.
So the lamp would be beyond the limit of my exploration. There was nothing really to stand on at that time. I have a vague memory of a plank below the water which I would not chance at that time. Now, I probably wouldn't care.

There was certainly no sign of any rising main or pump rods at the time of my visit, and these are almost certainly always left in situ at abandonment. Its possible that material has fallen since my visit and made for something for you to stand on. Of course, if true, what was underneath you will be a sobering thought!

Big question then now is "Where does the Engine Shaft enter the workings?" Drainage would be by DA.

--

'' as rare as a Cwmystwyth padlock''
IP: 92.23.163.235
Blober

Avatar of Blober

Joined: 16/12/2012
Location: Anglesey

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Glyn Llugwy
Posted: 15/11/2019 20:54:28
Reply |  Quote
If we're thinking of the same rise up to the next level, its where the DA enters the main lode, to the left there is a backfilled section with a nice wall and to the right the level continues and the stope begins and the shaft carries on up, theres a lone piece of wood or rail visible, ever so slightly inclined. I was wondering if they used to take material up this way though it doesn't seem to be well worn like you would imagine for something like a kibble to go up and down.

--

FILTH - Think this is a playground? Think again...
IP: 95.172.232.42
Margot

Avatar of Margot

Joined: 07/05/2011
Location: Anglesey

View Profile
View Posts
View Personal Album
View Personal Files
View all Photos
Send Private Message
Glyn Llugwy
Posted: 19/11/2019 09:21:04
Reply |  Quote
There was a very convenient wooden beam to shimmy over the flooded winze. It's possible that someone lugged it from elsewhere for the specific purpose of crossing! It was quite a comfortable beam. And there was quite some fallen woodwork in the winze (I think I was the only one to get a look through non-muddied water) but yes, it might go forever. And enough woodwork to get stuck below. But well, if you don't take a teeny bit of risk once in a while you don't get to do much exploring.

And I think we should drop the place from the top (that hole you found Blober) to see if we indeed come out where we think we would! Might not be the easiest to rig but we'll find a way.
IP: 147.143.167.222
Safety LED Miners Caplamps Moore Books: Specialist Books I.A. Recordings: Mining and Industrial History DVDs Starless River - Caving Store Explore a Disused Welsh Slate Mine
Disclaimer: Mine exploring can be quite dangerous, but then again it can be alright, it all depends on the weather. Please read the proper disclaimer.
© 2005 to 2015 AditNow.co.uk
Top of Page