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Author Proposal to revive Cumbrian coal mining
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Posted: 07/06/2017 22:55:31
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That's the idea, slight modification - direction and dip of drifts from end of anhydrite workings - of the 1970s NCB proposal. Difference is we would have been going into a mothballed mine to start up not an abandoned, flooded one

Still makes more sense than their original proposal for a drift near the Mainband site running well over a mile with none of the available onshore coal worked.
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Posted: 02/07/2017 17:59:55
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Latest core in progress - seems very close to the far workings of Croft and the aborted "South Development" of Haig.

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Posted: 29/03/2018 20:01:36
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A recent hole by WCM -

https://www.aditnow.co.uk/Photo/Drill-Rig-Above-Mainband_114787/

Mainband was in the trees below and right of the bungalow, between the rig and the proposed new mine is Wilson and Ladysmith. Strange place to be drilling......
IP: 109.154.95.189 Edited: 29/03/2018 20:02:48 by Buckhill
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Posted: 09/04/2018 22:10:21
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Seems they are drilling this time for seam sample cores for sending to their prospective customers for trials as to quality. IP: 109.176.238.176
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Posted: 18/09/2018 17:02:58
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The planning decision seems to be a long way off yet according to WCM's latest newsletter:

"We are currently receiving emails from local people asking, quite rightly, about the current status of the project and what is currently happening. WCM has always sought to be open and honest in our engagement and we continue to honour that commitment.

The current status of the project is that we continue to work toward securing planning permission for Woodhouse Colliery from Cumbria County Council (CCC). This process has taken longer than we had originally hoped, with a lot of additional information being requested since our original submission back in May 2017. Much of the additional information has been related to
environmental matters, in particular surface rain water runoff and water discharge into Saltom Bay. The proposed extension of the Solway Firth special protection area for wintering bird populations has also created the need to carry out significant offshore survey work.

At the time of writing, we are hopeful that our application will be considered by the CCC planning committee in early 2019. WCM continue to progress technical development of the project in terms of detailed design, supply chain engagement and recruitment, but planning is now the key issue and construction work cannot commence until this has been resolved."



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Posted: 19/03/2019 07:31:47
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Due to go before CCC for final planning decision today (BBC Look North)

500 jobs for West Cumbria - tough decision!

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Posted: 19/03/2019 14:08:05
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Unanimous decision to grant consent. This only covers landward area so awaiting MMO consent for undersea areas. IP: 86.167.176.88
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Posted: 19/03/2019 20:00:44
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Posted: 19/03/2019 20:37:15
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"The Haig Pit in Whitehaven was shut in 1986 after 70 years with the loss of 3,500 jobs."

I don't know where they got that figure. Announced that 580 of 715 were to be paid off when production ceased in 1984 (although number retained was later revised to c.160).
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Posted: 20/03/2019 20:01:42
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Apparently 500 jobs would be created, evidence suggests that the locals are looking on the project favourably.
Since 1500 have already made application for these posts!
Naturally the green lobby are opposing it ! They are looking for legal ways to stop the project.
Ignoring the fact that coking Coal is not that common in Europe, and naturally it is being imported fro the other side of the world at a price!
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Posted: 20/03/2019 20:32:37
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so, could 500 'Green' jobs be created by more un-Victorian means, such as increased opportunities for face-painters, story-tellers and community theatre troupes, or even in the tofu-weaving supply-chain? Roll Eyes

real jobs build real people; game on, coal Thumb Up

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Posted: 20/03/2019 20:36:50
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John Lawson wrote:


Ignoring the fact that coking Coal is not that common in Europe, and naturally it is being imported fro the other side of the world at a price!


At one stage Margam steelworks did a feasibility study on opening a drift mine with the UG access from within their site due to the costs of imports.
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Posted: 06/11/2019 19:09:44
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According to Look North, its a Green Light for the mine Thumbs Up

usual knee-jerk reaction from the Flat-Earthers

we're still going to use 5m tonnes of coal in the UK each year, regardless of where it was mined. Indigenous coal doesnt burn diesel hauling it 5000 miles across an ocean.

In fact its probably greener than mining Bitcoin!

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Posted: 06/11/2019 20:40:42
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Best way to get the yoghurt-weavers to shut up is to point out that the best way to get loads more carbon-free energy would be a major expansion at Sellafield....

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Posted: 06/11/2019 22:26:39
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Nothing to do with Copeland being on the list of Labour targeted marginal seats Innocent

I'd imagine other marginals are wishing they had such impressive bones to throw to the electorate. Maybe I'm too cynical, after all Copeland has been Conservative held since, errr, 2017, after being Labour since 1983.

Still, if HM Government has a new munificence towards deep mining then perhaps Sirius Minerals will be in for a treat Thumbs Up

Unless Scarborough and Whitby isn't on Labour's list of targeted marginals Sad
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Posted: 07/11/2019 09:43:41
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When I heard the coal was to be used for coking and steel production, but there were still objections about the mine contributing to carbon dioxide emissions, I wondered whether there was any way to extract iron from its ore without using coke. Apparently there is, but it's not exactly established technology yet. There is research into using an electrolytic process, along similar lines to aluminium smelting. Then it's simply an argument about how to generate the electricity produced to achieve this. IP: 85.115.54.201
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Posted: 07/11/2019 15:05:01
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Hi Peter, there are as you correctly stated many ways to produce steel, unfortunately at the present time there is only one way to produce steel, economically actually iron, from its ore is using a blast furnace!
Hence the need for the coking coal.
If one of these other techniques becomes economically visible,then and only then can I see no need for coking coal.
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Posted: 07/11/2019 15:10:03
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Yes that's the point, and the story prompted me to do some research, and it's a shame more people don't do the same, but prefer to stick to their chosen agenda, whatever that might be.
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Posted: 07/11/2019 15:51:11
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John Lawson wrote:

Hi Peter, there are as you correctly stated many ways to produce steel, unfortunately at the present time there is only one way to produce steel, economically actually iron, from its ore is using a blast furnace!
Hence the need for the coking coal.
If one of these other techniques becomes economically visible,then and only then can I see no need for coking coal.


Not entirely true John, EAF mini-mills are still lurking about, they never seem to have matched the 1980's optimism when a number of producers tried to integrate them with concast systems and very small scale induction furnaces work quite well with specialist steels. However both rely very heavily on cheap electricity to be viable in terms of mass production.

Without checking too carefully the scrap/EAF route was the plan for Sheerness Steel in 2017 but I'm not sure how far that got. Edit I think that equipment went to Liberty Steel in Newport.

Jim
IP: 86.149.33.74 Edited: 07/11/2019 16:23:11 by Jim MacPherson
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Posted: 07/11/2019 18:23:17
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Jim MacPherson wrote:


Not entirely true John, EAF mini-mills are still lurking about, they never seem to have matched the 1980's optimism when a number of producers tried to integrate them with concast systems and very small scale induction furnaces work quite well with specialist steels. However both rely very heavily on cheap electricity to be viable in terms of mass production.

Without checking too carefully the scrap/EAF route was the plan for Sheerness Steel in 2017 but I'm not sure how far that got. Edit I think that equipment went to Liberty Steel in Newport.
Jim


Transformer core iron is made by this route I think, it needs to be as near as you can get commercially to pure iron so doesnt want the carbon from the normal processes for steel. Mechanical properties of this are really not that good so we will be sticking with the iron/carbon alloy we call steel for a while yet
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