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Posted: 23/06/2019 22:37:10
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With the PDMHS I explored a few adits a couple of days ago. Being 6 foot one I spent most of the time bent over or bent double. As time went on my back turned into an evil thing that hurt more and more, until in the last couple of adits I struggled. Is it just me or is it my old age and general creakyness ?

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Posted: 23/06/2019 22:54:46
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It is certainly not age! At 6 ft 2 and in my 20s I feel your pain. I try to keep my back straight and bend at the knees instead. IP: 82.132.225.75
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Posted: 24/06/2019 09:51:48
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Reach up above you and grasp something like the top of a door, cross bar or whatever, and raise your weight.

A strong and helpful friend can do better. Stand back to back and link arms, friend raises your weight and gives you a jerk. Hurt for one instant, but back pain gone.

Martial artist Roy.

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Posted: 24/06/2019 22:06:43
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Roy have you got any magic to repair ruptured and total detachment of Supraspinatus tendons in both shoulders ???

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Posted: 24/06/2019 22:09:19
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Mmm, I am supposed to be a good physiotherapist and a good dentist as well, but I don't know about that one
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Posted: 24/06/2019 22:11:44
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I am struggling a lot with them buddy and the pain is at times unbearable. Right one I did a year ago and the left four years ago, still give me a lot of jip now !

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Posted: 25/06/2019 08:27:49
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I have just looked it up.
A problem a lot of us have with our bodies is that if a certain movement causes us discomfort we tend to avoid doing it, that then makes it worse.
The trick is to deliberately exercise into where it hurts, make it a daily routine, then eventually, it hurt no more.

Sometimes an old injury although not a major problem in itself can have rheumatics or arthritis set into it, this then becomes the major issue.

I had an issue with my right knee from when I was once hit by a car when i was 19. I had difficulty using it as a support leg for kicking. I eventually found baking powder taken in a small amount of water got the swelling out of it. The problem was not the old injury but what was setting into it.

Doctors laugh at a lot of this stuff, but if it works it works.

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Posted: 25/06/2019 08:46:24
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Am currently suffering with backache, which is the result of this a few years ago:



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It's been killing me for over a week now but thanks to some assistance with heavy lifting over the weekend (thanks Margot Thumb Up ) and a bit of gentle exercise, stretching and lawn mowing last night I feel a million times better. Identify the injury, let it settle for a day or two and then get back into it.

@Paul: is that the same injury that you had last time I saw you? That needs proper attention now I would say?



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Posted: 25/06/2019 12:16:30
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Totally agree Roy believe me I do a lot of movement and exercises on both shoulders and yes it hurts like hell to try and help myself. My wife works for the NHS and they have a saying when it comes to limbs "use them or lose them". I have also tried the baking soda and kept it up for about 8 weeks but found no benefit with this type of injury

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Posted: 25/06/2019 12:26:13
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sinker wrote:

Am currently suffering with backache, which is the result of this a few years ago:



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It's been killing me for over a week now but thanks to some assistance with heavy lifting over the weekend (thanks Margot Thumb Up ) and a bit of gentle exercise, stretching and lawn mowing last night I feel a million times better. Identify the injury, let it settle for a day or two and then get back into it.

@Paul: is that the same injury that you had last time I saw you? That needs proper attention now I would say?




Yes buddy I have been offered surgery but after talking it through with the surgeon he said that because I still had "reasonable" movement it would be wise for the time being not to poke around in there. Strength is VERY poor thats why I stay clear of any ascending at the moment I dont want to generate a big rescue problem for someone to have to deal with.

My left one started to feel better until I did the tiniest little jerk on it looking down a hole in South Wales and it felt like my whole shoulder had been ripped apart.

Believe me I have had my share of back and knee problems but shoulders are in a league of there own I sure anybody else on here with such injuries will also confirm that .

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Posted: 25/06/2019 12:42:43
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Paul Marvin wrote:



"use them or lose them".


This applied to everything, including the mind. I see it as a major issue for a lot of retired people who suddenly plunge from a working lifestyle to sitting about doing nothing.

Another thing is posture.
A persons centre of gravity should be behind your tummy button. In martial arts, its called the "hara". So when you stand this should be somewhere between your feet.

Best example I can give of effects of poor posture is a comparison with the daft trick back in the 1960s of fitting spacers behind the wheels of cars to widen the track. Especially done on the old Mini.

The effect was to shift the weight load outside of the plane of the wheel bearing, so eventually the wheels would come off.
So bad posture, and eventually your wheels will come off.
Correct any tendency to stoop due to spending time underground. Stooping posture is bad, and tiring, and will also affect your internal organs.

It may sound silly but I found that press ups are a good posture correcting exercise as they tend to push the shoulders back.
Sit ups good for stomach muscles, makes the body very hard. I take powerful punch in the stomach and laugh at it. Its been commented on at karate club.

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Posted: 25/06/2019 13:19:33
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You sound like Mr. Miyagi Roy.

Having lower back issues from bulging discs, exercise is key to strenghting that area.

I pretty much do religiouly twice a day a set of stretches and back muscle building exercises that a good physio gave me.

When going underground I also take a double dose of ibruprohen in morning and during trip (consultant advised) and I'ved added volterol gel. This part is a preventative to try and keep any potential inflamation of the muscles at bay.



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Posted: 25/06/2019 13:29:22
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Good for you Mike

I not doing bad though for 74?
(If organising NAMHO doesn't destroy me)

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Posted: 25/06/2019 13:33:04
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Posted: 25/06/2019 16:07:42
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As an “old git” who has wrecked their body crashing motorbikes, falling off stages and breaking bits mine exploring, I took up yoga for the over 60’s, it won’t ever cure my injuries but it does help a great deal and as has been pointed out here, good posture is a must. I also try to have a positive mental attitude, not an easy one when you are suffering, but got to make the best of things. I maybe as stiff as a coffin lid, but I sure ain’t ready to push up daisies LaughFlowers IP: 95.145.121.133
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Posted: 25/06/2019 16:26:20
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Mr Mike wrote:

You sound like Mr. Miyagi Roy.

Having lower back issues from bulging discs, exercise is key to strenghting that area.

I pretty much do religiouly twice a day a set of stretches and back muscle building exercises that a good physio gave me.

When going underground I also take a double dose of ibruprohen in morning and during trip (consultant advised) and I'ved added volterol gel. This part is a preventative to try and keep any potential inflamation of the muscles at bay.




When you say double dose does that mean 4 tabs ? as a dose is two tabs ??

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Posted: 25/06/2019 16:28:16
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Wise words buddy wise words !!

Roy have you tried "planking" also a good posture and ab exercise

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Posted: 25/06/2019 16:34:49
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I have 400mg tabs, so 2 of those = 800mg. NOT for long term, just every so often.

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Posted: 25/06/2019 16:42:37
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That's interesting to know as my Naproxen aren't touching anything now , has you doc advised something to protect your stomach like Ranitidine or Omeprazole ?

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Posted: 25/06/2019 16:44:42
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No, as I only tend to do this once a month, 2 days on the trot, so not a on going medication.

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