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Posted: 22/04/2018 20:34:50
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i have a Wulf safety lamp which i believe was my granddads when he was over looker at moston colliery in Manchester between 1944 and 1955 im just wondering if any knowledgeable people can confirm the lamp is from around that date from the picture...sorry its wrong way round as apple is crap and im possibly crap at uploading.
it has not got a locking mechanism but has a knob underneath to raise/lower the wick and is packed with cotton wool and has 2 x mesh screens on top.


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Posted: 22/04/2018 21:39:02
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Posted: 22/04/2018 21:40:31
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Wolf F.S. wouldn't pass mining legislation as it hasn't got a lock. Variants of this lamp (F.G. & F.C.) have magnetic locks.

F.S. Used for gas testing in sewers and man-holes, the G.P.O. used them in large numbers from the early 1960's to late 80's for testing in cable ducts.
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Posted: 22/04/2018 22:12:25
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It says its a wolf type FS no numbers on it, beginning to sound like my dad might have got its age wrong.
having said that my granddad ran the mining school at oak colliery until his death in 1958 im wondering as the training mine there was not actual underground maybe these lamps might have been used...its a long shot...failing that i have a bog standard GPO lamp that somehow has ended up in the family history but not for the use i hoped for.



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Posted: 22/04/2018 22:32:13
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on the plus side at least its not a copy as i remember it being on the mantle piece in the 70s when i was a kid.
thanks for the clarity.


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Posted: 23/04/2018 16:20:29
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The Miners Lamp Collectors Society, in cooperation with Wolf (UK), published a book on Wolf UK safety lamps in 2012. It says of the Type F, "Four original models designed in 1957/58 by William Norman Bishop", and that estimated production of the Type FS from 1959 to 1963 was "10-20 samples for trial". It also says the Type FS was in production 1962-1988, at a rate of about 1500-2000 per year. IP: 75.172.9.114
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Posted: 23/04/2018 16:31:34
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nwminer wrote:

The Miners Lamp Collectors Society, in cooperation with Wolf (UK), published a book on Wolf UK safety lamps in 2012. It says of the Type F, "Four original models designed in 1957/58 by William Norman Bishop", and that estimated production of the Type FS from 1959 to 1963 was "10-20 samples for trial". It also says the Type FS was in production 1962-1988, at a rate of about 1500-2000 per year.


The book in question is "Wolf Safety lamps, 100 Years 1912 - 2012" it costs £20.00 I do have copies available along with other mining lamp books if anyone interested
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Posted: 23/04/2018 16:36:29
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nwminer wrote:

The Miners Lamp Collectors Society, in cooperation with Wolf (UK), published a book on Wolf UK safety lamps in 2012. It says of the Type F, "Four original models designed in 1957/58 by William Norman Bishop", and that estimated production of the Type FS from 1959 to 1963 was "10-20 samples for trial". It also says the Type FS was in production 1962-1988, at a rate of about 1500-2000 per year.


The book in question is "Wolf Safety lamps, 100 Years 1912 - 2012" it costs £20.00 I do have copies available along with other mining lamp books if anyone interested
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Posted: 23/04/2018 17:08:26
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Heb wrote:



..........G.P.O. used them in large numbers from the early 1960's to late 80's for testing in cable ducts.



In fact they were still in use on the BT Deep Duct Laying contracts until 2001 when they were replaced by MSA gas detectors. The main reason for phasing them out was apparently due to some middle managers in BT at the time being recent university graduates with no experience feeling very uncomfortable about taking "naked" flames into a potentially gaseous environment. They would prefer to spend hundreds of pounds each on digital gas detectors. Those Wolf lamps were disposed of, literally in their thousands, as scrap. Criminal Angry




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Posted: 23/04/2018 17:34:21
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sinker wrote:


In fact they were still in use on the BT Deep Duct Laying contracts until 2001 when they were replaced by MSA gas detectors. The main reason for phasing them out was apparently due to some middle managers in BT at the time being recent university graduates with no experience feeling very uncomfortable about taking "naked" flames into a potentially gaseous environment.


Managers more worried about being sued, HSE getting involved etc. on the offchance there is any gas present and further offchance the lamp manages to ignite the gas, is more like it!

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Posted: 23/04/2018 17:51:11
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somersetminer wrote:

sinker wrote:


In fact they were still in use on the BT Deep Duct Laying contracts until 2001 when they were replaced by MSA gas detectors. The main reason for phasing them out was apparently due to some middle managers in BT at the time being recent university graduates with no experience feeling very uncomfortable about taking "naked" flames into a potentially gaseous environment.


Managers more worried about being sued, HSE getting involved etc. on the offchance there is any gas present and further offchance the lamp manages to ignite the gas, is more like it!



Yes correct....

"uncomfortable" = "worried about being sued or having to explain something they don't understand"

Sad

I remember a guy called Tony *surname deleted on legal advice* ......

His nickname was "Teflon Tony" because no dirt ever stuck on him.... Laugh



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