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Posted: 02/11/2017 14:55:37
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Horsemaddad wrote:

The laws of Natural Selection should have prevailed I think!
He says 'there were no barriers to stop me'; does he not have any commonsense whatsoever? Nothing forced him to enter this mine unprepared except his own stupidity!
I despair and sincerely hope this won't start a massive ball rolling!


By that argument we should fence off the entire British coastline. Just think of those unprotected cliffs!

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Posted: 02/11/2017 15:15:05
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The problem here is that mine has gunises which open directly on to the coast path and people wonder in to use them as toilets or just out of curiosity.
A simple barrier that a determined person could climb over, with a notice telling people what the place is and the danger would probably solve the problem.

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Posted: 02/11/2017 15:22:59
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Protection from accidental entry is the important phrase.

How you can accidentally walk into a entrance is beyond me but the important thing is to put a barrier in place that has to be actively negotiated. The Alston Moor horizontally pivoted gate is a good example, it doesn't prevent people from going into potentially dangerous places but you have to move the gate to do it.

Unfortunately the paranoid will no doubt put security fencing in place to inhibit natural selection processes.

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Posted: 02/11/2017 18:16:51
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I suspect any council would consider the worst case scenario, i.e. a child getting injured? IP: 86.182.93.177
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Posted: 02/11/2017 19:42:05
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The reply to which is: it's your child, look after them properly.
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Posted: 02/11/2017 19:49:47
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The reply to which is: it's your child, look after them properly.


I'm pretty sure no one on the H&S bandwagon would publicly utter those words.

Edit: Agree with your comment though.Smile
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Posted: 02/11/2017 23:10:52
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Cornwall is world famous for mining and the Pendeen area particularly well known amongst most or nearly all mining enthusiasts. How stupid could that tourist be to not know it's a mining entry. Even if there was a barrier the idiot would probably have still entered the mine. Why should the countryside be covered with mine signs just to cater for every idiot that decides they want to poke around in places they have no business in entering. People like this bloke will only encourage our dopey council to cover the countryside with signs and padlocked gated entrances. IP: 213.205.194.107
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Posted: 02/11/2017 23:26:15
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As for 'accidental entry', this goon had accidentally wandered into the mine to the tune of 30 metres. Hardly accidental if you ask me, and then they have the audacity to complain when they come to grief.
'Wasn't my fault guv, I only wandered well away from the footpath, scrambled down through the bracken and went in with a torch'
Accidental my rosy pink a*se!

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Posted: 03/11/2017 07:36:02
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droid wrote:

The reply to which is: it's your child, look after them properly.


Yes up to a point. Having lost our youngest once I can tell you it's not quite as simple as that though.

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Posted: 03/11/2017 10:12:10
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crickleymal wrote:

droid wrote:

The reply to which is: it's your child, look after them properly.


Yes up to a point. Having lost our youngest once I can tell you it's not quite as simple as that though.


@ mal: Totally agree.

@droid and morlock: What a stupid and heartless thing to say FFS Sad

Children are EVERYONE'S responsibility whether they are yours or not. The state steps in and protects children from all sorts of nastiness when the parents are either too stupid or too lazy to do it. And that includes mine shafts and stopes.


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Posted: 03/11/2017 10:19:03
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A hypothetical example of how a young child might come to harm through no real fault of its parents. Family goes for a picnic on some open ground. Parents decide to take a break and let young child play for a bit, exploring the immediate area. Child gets into problems through simple innocent curiosity. It is impossible to keep active youngsters in sight or on a lead all the time. IP: 185.69.144.25 Edited: 03/11/2017 10:21:10 by Peter Burgess
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Posted: 03/11/2017 11:13:22
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Children are EVERYONE'S responsibility whether they are yours or not. The state steps in and protects children from all sorts of nastiness when the parents are either too stupid or too lazy to do it. And that includes mine shafts and stopes.


I fail to see how I am responsible for other people's children!
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Posted: 03/11/2017 11:20:37
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No, you are not. But perhaps we should be responsible for our own actions with regard to how they might affect others (including young children) - a subtle difference. Like taking care to watch for kids running out into the road in built-up areas. It's simple common sense really. It's unrealistic to expect all pavements to be cordoned off to prevent children going into the road, so the most practical way to keep children as safe as possible is to be aware that they might dash out, and drive accordingly. IP: 185.69.144.25
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Posted: 03/11/2017 12:03:46
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JohnnearCfon wrote:

sinker wrote:



Children are EVERYONE'S responsibility whether they are yours or not. The state steps in and protects children from all sorts of nastiness when the parents are either too stupid or too lazy to do it. And that includes mine shafts and stopes.


I fail to see how I am responsible for other people's children!


You are responsible in the absence of anyone else. We are all "responsible" for each other in the same way. Or we should be. You wouldn't turn your back on a young child walking towards a mineshaft or a busy road would you? That's what I meant.


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Posted: 03/11/2017 12:40:22
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Peter Burgess wrote:

A hypothetical example of how a young child might come to harm through no real fault of its parents. Family goes for a picnic on some open ground. Parents decide to take a break and let young child play for a bit, exploring the immediate area. Child gets into problems through simple innocent curiosity. It is impossible to keep active youngsters in sight or on a lead all the time.


That's exactly what happened to me. He was behind me whilst I was talking to some friends at a picnic, next minute gone. Turns out he was looking for fossils in a exposed bit of limestone just round the corner but it took us half an hour to find him. He didn't hear us calling because he was so absorbed in what he was doing.

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Posted: 03/11/2017 12:49:01
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The owner does have responsibilities which I have looked at regarding Brewery Shaft at Nenthead but I can't find my copy of the regulations just at the moment. From what I remember there is a certain emphasis placed on protection of unattended children.

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Posted: 03/11/2017 12:52:42
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sinker wrote:

JohnnearCfon wrote:

sinker wrote:



Children are EVERYONE'S responsibility whether they are yours or not. The state steps in and protects children from all sorts of nastiness when the parents are either too stupid or too lazy to do it. And that includes mine shafts and stopes.


I fail to see how I am responsible for other people's children!


You are responsible in the absence of anyone else. We are all "responsible" for each other in the same way. Or we should be. You wouldn't turn your back on a young child walking towards a mineshaft or a busy road would you? That's what I meant.


I have a dim recollection from the days when I studied a bit of law that there is a fundamental difference in the UK compared to many other countries in terms of whether doing nothing in this sort of circumstance is lawful or not, can't quite remember which way around it is.

Edit: My curiosity got the better of me so I googled it; http://journalarchive.cilex.org.uk/journal_home/issue_content/november_2014/nov_14-crimebrief_pg_40-41.aspx
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Posted: 03/11/2017 12:55:05
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crickleymal wrote:

Peter Burgess wrote:

A hypothetical example of how a young child might come to harm through no real fault of its parents. Family goes for a picnic on some open ground. Parents decide to take a break and let young child play for a bit, exploring the immediate area. Child gets into problems through simple innocent curiosity. It is impossible to keep active youngsters in sight or on a lead all the time.


That's exactly what happened to me. He was behind me whilst I was talking to some friends at a picnic, next minute gone. Turns out he was looking for fossils in a exposed bit of limestone just round the corner but it took us half an hour to find him. He didn't hear us calling because he was so absorbed in what he was doing.


True, many of us I suspect will have had our first experience of exploring underground by poking our heads into beach adits and caves when told to 'go off and play' as youngsters.

not that that's a bad thing at all in my opinion......
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Posted: 03/11/2017 12:59:34
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You are responsible in the absence of anyone else. We are all "responsible" for each other in the same way. Or we should be. You wouldn't turn your back on a young child walking towards a mineshaft or a busy road would you? That's what I meant.


In today's climate I would do nothing more than shout a warning. Anything more would doubtless be misconstrued in 10 years time!
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Posted: 03/11/2017 13:33:55
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Never underestimate children's lack of common sense.

"The Westbury Brook Mine shaft was left only with a rather insecure stone wall surrounding it for many years, which was eventually securely capped by Forest Enterprise in the late 1980’s. A couple of visitors to the Forest were looking at the shaft area and to their horror they saw some young boys playing at the shaft top. One of the boys was balancing himself over the gaping shaft by standing on an insecure branch of an elderberry bush growing out over the shaft." (From the RFDCC Newsletter)

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