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Posted: 21/10/2017 19:31:29
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I'm not sure I have a note of it, but there are a few photos from which you might be able to judge. I would say not more than 18 inches? 20 at a stretch? And no plateway, just a typical early 20th century NG mineral track. IP: 209.93.26.134
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Posted: 21/10/2017 19:33:23
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Posted: 21/10/2017 22:45:17
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Despite the numerous images with tramways there appears to be a lack of tramways marked on any maps? IP: 5.81.142.163
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Posted: 22/10/2017 07:14:48
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Very true. IP: 209.93.26.134
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Posted: 22/10/2017 09:00:14
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Great- many thanks IP: 2.24.80.236
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Posted: 22/10/2017 16:40:42
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Peter Burgess wrote:

Very true.


I found a website last night that contained several images of the tramways along with a bit of history.
It was not a WCMS page, any ideas on where I may re-find this website?
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Posted: 22/10/2017 18:26:38
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I did post stuff on the "Kent and Sussex History Board" or similar. South east history Board? I haven't posted stuff for a long time - I felt it needed to widen its focus a bit from all the military history and tried to add stuff accordingly. Perhaps I need to go back and add some more?
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Posted: 22/10/2017 21:24:14
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Re-found the website Peter.

https://www.oldreigate.com/?r=1&width=1536&height=864&goto=theclears

My intention was pass the info to this site so maps could be updated.

http://www.railmaponline.com/UKIEMap.php

Any info you may unearth regarding the tramway routes would be much appreciated.
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Posted: 22/10/2017 21:30:45
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Ah yes - Oldreigate.com - might be my contributions - many of the mine photos are from me, or ones I scanned and others 'nicked' and offered to the site - whatever Smile Some of my early scan are easy to detect as it was a fairly low quality device and you can see "stripes" in the images!
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Posted: 22/10/2017 21:42:46
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https://www.oldreigate.com/index.php?goto=theclears

So much Joy! Big Grin
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Posted: 22/10/2017 21:52:18
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Peter Burgess wrote:

https://www.oldreigate.com/index.php?goto=theclears

So much Joy! Big Grin


I suspect it may well have been your earlier link, (2008) that got me to "The clears".Big Grin

If the image of the horse drawn tramway wagon is one of yours, (and you know the rough location it was taken) a map search may reveal cutting/embankment clues? I suppose any of the tramway images could be useful if location was known?
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Posted: 22/10/2017 22:00:05
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I could do a rough track layout from the photos - I know where the buildings in the photos were on the OS plans. One track that I now know existed but previously dismissed as unlikely, is one that ran all the way down the Sheepwalk track to Colley Lane. I had always believed the closely set railway sleepers that still exist along the upper part of the footpath were put there only to provide a firm track for horsedrawn carts, and carried no rails. From the report of a fatality in the Surrey Mirror, we now know that the track went right down the path, as a couple of men, taking a trolley down it loaded with stone, did so in such a reckless manner that one of them fell off and was killed.
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Posted: 22/10/2017 22:06:51
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Surrey Mirror - October 1905
Death in a Stone Quarry
A very singular accident, unfortunately attended with fatal results, happened on the Hearth Stone Quarries, Colley Hill, Reigate, on Wednesday morning. Henry Ebenezer Stewart, aged 49, a foreman carpenter in the employ of Mr. George Taylor, Margery, Kingswood, was, on Wednesday morning, working in company with a labourer named Isaac Dudley, on the quarries mentioned. The two men were carrying a bag of stone weighing about 1 cwt., from the Quarries to the bottom of the road, where it was to be placed in a cart and conveyed to the Railway Station. The stone was lifted onto a trolley, which runs on metals from the mouth of the quarries to Colley wood. When they had covered about three parts of the distance the trolley left the rails. As a consequence Dudley was thrown in the hedge, deceased alighting on the road, the fall rendering him unconscious. Assistance was at once sent for, and Dr. Ogle arrived on the spot as quickly as possible, but not before the poor man had succumbed to his injuries. There were several wounds on the side of his head, and it was thought the base of his skull was fractured. There were signs of deceased having bled a great deal from the mouth and ears, which indicated the internal organs were ruptured. Deceased lived at Clearholme, Colley, Reigate, and appeared in his usual health immediately before the accident.
At the Coroner's inquest on Friday, 1st November, the following observations were made, and reported (Surrey Mirror, 3rd November, 1905): "By trade [the deceased] was a carpenter, but at this time acted as a building manager."
One of the jurors commented: "They were going very fast. There was no brake on the trolley. Had there been one, perhaps the accident might have been avoided."
Mr. Hale, Mr. Taylor's Solicitor, said: "The trolley was not intended to go down the decline. Deceased and witness were not authorised to use the trolley at the time."
In commenting on the accident, the Coroner observed: "It is a most extraordinary course to start this trolley and without any means of stopping it ride to perdition"
The deceased had been observed: "...trying to brake the trolley by dragging his foot along the ground. The rails at that point were rough, and not perfectly straight."
A unanimous verdict of accidental death was reached, with a rider added, on the suggestion of the Foreman, that: "In future this truck be not used anywhere without a brake."
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Posted: 23/10/2017 05:41:21
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Interesting bit of history confirming one tramway route.

A bit of speculation to start with.



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Posted: 23/10/2017 11:52:02
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This is what I reckon:



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I think the factory was extended after the photo was taken, between ca 1905 and 1914 when the map was published.
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Posted: 23/10/2017 14:25:42
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Thanks Peter. Do you think my speculation and your research/records constitutes the limits of the tramway, i.e. where do you think the offloading/transfer point was located? IP: 5.81.142.163
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Posted: 23/10/2017 14:36:08
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The article says it ends at "Colley Wood" which is directly opposite the lower end of the Sheepwalk. I wonder if they lifted the lower bit of the line after the accident.
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Posted: 23/10/2017 15:02:15
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I did speculate that the tramway may have run as far as the railway but cannot find any evidence to support that theory. IP: 5.81.142.163
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Posted: 23/10/2017 15:20:33
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I think the bottom of the path coincided with the boundary of Taylor's land. It would be interesting to find out when the siding by Colley Lane was built. It is on the 1914 OS plan, If it was built after the time of the fatal accident then this would suggest the produce was shipped by cart to the station (most likely) from the end of the path, until the siding was added. Produce was taken to the siding by horse-drawn cart according to those whose memories are on record.
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Posted: 23/10/2017 15:47:11
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The horse and cart transport as supported by old memories plus the land boundary records seems fairly conclusive.
I had a bit of 'mission creep' and shot off in a tangent towards Merstham tramway routes.Big Grin

https://www.oldmerstham.com/index.php?r=1&width=1536&height=864&goto=mersthamquarry
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