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Author Sir Francis Level in 3D
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Posted: 19/01/2016 17:21:34
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A new video produced, using laser scanning, at the request of the Yorkshire Dales National Park Authority:

IP: 82.71.4.122 Edited: 19/01/2016 18:09:06 by skimble
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Sir Francis Level in 3D
Posted: 19/01/2016 19:02:24
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It's a very good graphic representation of a unique winding engine and pump.

But surely it was operated by hydraulic power (and water as well!).

And if it cannot be preserved for ever in situ then it would be a worthwhile project by some group to record it down to every last nut and bolt by photography and measured drawing.


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Posted: 19/01/2016 19:10:10
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simonrail wrote:


But surely it was operated by hydraulic power (and water as well!).


Yes.
So where have they got "compressed air" from?
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Posted: 19/01/2016 19:18:49
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royfellows wrote:

So where have they got "compressed air" from?
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Maybe they saw the air receiver outside and decided that 2+2=5?
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Posted: 19/01/2016 19:32:40
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Do you think they ever read the original paper, by Crabtree in Cave Science?
He and his mates did the original exploration which led to the engine's discovery, and I presume that the paper was published soon afterwards.
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Posted: 19/01/2016 19:46:11
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I must go and see this soon! IP: 62.232.28.82
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Posted: 19/01/2016 19:55:28
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I wonder if 'consultants' have become part of the equation?
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I wonder if they gave any thought as why they are usually referred to as the "Sir Francis Water Pressure Engines"

There is usually a reason for something like this

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Posted: 19/01/2016 20:05:16
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Roy it looks like a nice job for 'the boys'.
I guess it was cavers who did the filming, and what do they know about mine machinery?
You would have hoped the park authorities would have used one of the local mining groups to do this job, who certainly would have corrected this howler!
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Posted: 19/01/2016 20:06:57
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I don't like to pick fault, because it's a fantastic job on having scanned it in 3D.

But the bit about 1:05 in about the miners turning left into the cages ??

What about the pipes in the way and the fact that the opening is not on that side ? Blush
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Posted: 19/01/2016 20:15:51
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I wondered at that as well, maybe the narrative was to fit the video?

Very nice video for that, and I really like the 'enlightened' attitude towards underground exploration.

EDIT
Off topic but years ago I was talking to someone about Plymouth and the Tamar Bridge came into the discussion. I was actually asked why its called the Tamar Bridge.

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Posted: 19/01/2016 22:15:28
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as you enter the "brick work" ive not seen a single brick down there!

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Posted: 20/01/2016 07:38:38
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I enjoyed the video, I bet a lot of work went into it.

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Posted: 20/01/2016 09:24:03
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I absolutely loved it.

If nothing else it shows what a powerful tool laser scanning is. Structures which may become lost to us in the future can now be recorded, interpreted and viewed in a way that is unimaginable in traditional 2d recording media.

more please!!! Thumbs Up

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Posted: 20/01/2016 17:27:03
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i did manage to talk to the chief executive of yorkshire dales national park this morning (he s a mate of mine) and said he was very pleased with the work we d done on the entrance and securing the cage inside,altho doesnt think it would last long due to the cracked timber,he was down there in november,its not up to him with releasing funds to repair the damage and said they probably wouldnt help anyway!

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Posted: 21/01/2016 14:11:08
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Unfortunately that video has now been marked 'Private'. IP: 147.143.12.71
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Posted: 21/01/2016 14:15:59
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From UK Caving:

"It's been taken off line to correct a couple of errors in the commentary. It was only intended as a trial to show the National Park what could be done with the data and never intended for wider viewing. I thought it was such a good video that I wanted more folk to be able to see it. However, some knowledgeable folk have pointed out some of the comments on the compressed air system have been taken from an incorrect source. Hopefully it will come back up later."


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Posted: 21/01/2016 22:48:44
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Willy Eckerslyke wrote:

Unfortunately that video has now been marked 'Private'.

It's back online now with a revised commentary:



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Posted: 21/01/2016 23:00:46
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Brilliant!!

Only one small niggle about the commentary - please replace "is clearly still visible" with "is still clearly visible".

"dams outside the mine" may sound better as "dams on the hills above the mine"

Cheers, and keep up the excellent work
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Posted: 21/01/2016 23:13:54
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Absolutely spot on now, brilliant. Need to get to Sir Francis Level - our best friends used to have a caravan at Gunerside, we stayed there but it was before I'd learned about the mines. Crying

What with the Maenofferen and Dinorwig videos from RCAHMW we're getting spoiled. Thumbs Up

Where next? Ystrad-Einion with its waterwheel pump would be a good one or perhaps Cwmorthin with its OVI, BVI, Ch34 and Fl. E-G winders... Laser scanning and CGI is bringing so much that has been lost back to life.
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Posted: 22/01/2016 04:25:59
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TheBogieman wrote:

Where next? Ystrad-Einion with its waterwheel pump would be a good one


Like this Wink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BsTf6O24m8
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