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Posted: 14/01/2016 21:50:04
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The scumbags have been at it in there, here is a link to photos etc uploaded to UKC

http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=19652.msg252615;topicseen#new

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Posted: 14/01/2016 22:05:53
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An ongoing story as you know Roy Crying

As you will also know admirable efforts are made down there to rectify the damage caused. This seems to be resented by some and provokes further damage.

Do I understand there is some indication that a group from Belper may be involved? Seems a long way away?

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Posted: 14/01/2016 22:12:36
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They should have gone down Talybont instead, then they would have ended up behind all the concrete I am pouring.
Laugh

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Posted: 15/01/2016 09:00:27
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It amazes me that the owners (Avon Wildlife Trust) seem to be not interested in what is happening.
They are well aware of the situation but do not seem to want to take control of the situation. Crying
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Posted: 15/01/2016 09:34:08
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You would think this would be the perfect opportunity for the mining/caving world to step in, and cooperate with AWT, demonstrating that a responsible attitude exists in both bat and mining camps. The BCA don't spend a massive amount on conservation each year - perhaps this should change. The outcome? Mutual trust on both sides, and one would hope, a strong campaign to stop all this nonsense and wrecking of the site.

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Posted: 15/01/2016 09:43:18
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If I understand things correctly the Muddy Hole entrance is on land that A.W.T. do not control. Also I believe other access is possible.
Under the mines and quarries act, someone must own the mine (it is not old enough to be abandoned) so someone is responsible for making the mine and entrances safe.
When an accident happens it really will hit the fan when all this story comes out!
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Posted: 15/01/2016 10:08:01
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The Browne's Folly situation does look like a car crash in slow motion. I don't see it ending well. IP: 86.133.100.193 Edited: 15/01/2016 10:13:53 by Tamarmole
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Posted: 15/01/2016 10:20:54
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Tamarmole wrote:

The Browne's Folly situation does look like a car crash in slow motion. I don't see it ending well.


Roger that for sure
I know some things i cannot put on a public forum.

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Posted: 15/01/2016 10:27:00
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The situation is out of hand, I'm a regular visitor, and the damage is becoming more extreme and more regular, it seems the perpetrators feel untouchable, which is making them bold. AWT are apparently aware they have a conservation issue, and need to step up and show some robustness, I'm sure if someone was caught and prosecuted it'd send a clear message to people who think it is their right to cut out gates, destroy historical features and potentially disturb an important bat roost. The Belper reference is due to the fact a welcome to Belper sign was screwed up during the recent rave, and although removed, Belper bastards has been sprayed up in its location.

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Posted: 15/01/2016 17:08:50
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ttxela wrote:

This seems to be resented by some and provokes further damage.


Just about sums it up.
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Posted: 16/01/2016 12:33:00
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Can't a remote camera be installed near the entrance? They're not that expensive and if video of the perps is captured, surely that can then be used as evidence - especially if they have angle-grinders with them. IP: 81.174.241.13
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Posted: 16/01/2016 13:51:31
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I think that a camera would be vandalized quicker than anything!
Avon wildlife trust do not seem to want to take on the issue, or at least they have taken very little action up till now.
It WILL all end in tears sometime soon and I fear for the knee-jerk reaction that will inevitably follow.Sad
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Posted: 16/01/2016 18:48:00
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I do not know this mine at all.
Is it possible for one of these loons to get lost down there?
Or have a serious accident?
The only mine I know of which was treated in a similar manner was the West Mine at Alderly Edge.
In the 60's kids got lost down there, and unfortunately some died-other people used it as a dossing place etc.
Eventually the entrance, which had been bricked up, and re- opened using a Mill's bomb, was completely in filled with tons of debris.
It took a long time before controlled access was again allowed.
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Posted: 16/01/2016 19:48:43
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rufenig wrote:

I think that a camera would be vandalized quicker than anything!
Avon wildlife trust do not seem to want to take on the issue, or at least they have taken very little action up till now.


I think a hidden camera would do the trick, plus if it shows criminal damage/breaking and entering then it can go straight to the police. Shame it's not on Gloucestershire Wildlife Trust's ground, I've got an old friend there I could talk to about getting this settled.

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Posted: 16/01/2016 20:58:44
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John L
There are some issues there that are beyond description.
My advice to everyone stands, stay away from the place.

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Posted: 16/01/2016 22:27:07
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That only makes it more intriguing Roy.

I'm surprised that the landowner hasn't gated Muddy Hole or perhaps it could be done by interested parties.

Another possibility is that it becomes a sacrificial mine in the same way as one of the mines round here has. Let the vandals get on with that one and hope the other mines get left alone.
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Posted: 16/01/2016 22:49:21
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crickleymal wrote:

I'm surprised that the landowner hasn't gated Muddy Hole or perhaps it could be done by interested parties.


I believe the current problems can all be traced back to the original folly of reducing the size of Muddy Hole to render access more difficult, said actions were not universally popular and set various
factions at odds with each other..
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Posted: 17/01/2016 08:44:47
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I thought that was fairly universally agreed to be a good thing. Stops pikeys stealing the railway lines. IP: 109.145.67.91
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Posted: 17/01/2016 09:25:59
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crickleymal wrote:

I thought that was fairly universally agreed to be a good thing. Stops pikeys stealing the railway lines.

Apart from a few who went hysterical because they believed it was a conspiracy to keep them out!
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Posted: 17/01/2016 09:41:56
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I think I will take the same position as Roy on this rather contentious issue.Wink IP: 31.49.115.63
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