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Posted: 13/01/2016 16:15:19
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Marra wrote:

I tried an Anthron a few years ago but I failed to descend due my meagre weight. Returned to supplier (ebay)


Anthron descenders are absolutely diabolical, wouldn't touch one with a barge pole.
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Posted: 13/01/2016 16:41:42
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Prefer an ID myself - so controllable.

btw ... what's arack... is that alcoholic beverage from the Levant. What do you do? Wrap the rope round the bottle?

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Posted: 13/01/2016 17:43:58
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I never use the Stop as a braking device, using a Handy braking carabiner for that and just unlock and go. But the Stop handle hurts as it's just a bit of bent sheet with a tiny rubber cover, and holding it fully open on a long shaft is painful.

I use an ID for work, which is a braking descender, and that's much more comfortable, albeit a bit cissy when it comes to descending speed. But it is for work after all. I've often wondered about using it underground but wasn't sure if it would survive Peak District sediments.
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Posted: 13/01/2016 17:52:27
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pwhole wrote:

I never use the Stop as a braking device, using a Handy braking carabiner for that and just unlock and go. But the Stop handle hurts as it's just a bit of bent sheet with a tiny rubber cover, and holding it fully open on a long shaft is painful.

I use an ID for work, which is a braking descender, and that's much more comfortable, albeit a bit cissy when it comes to descending speed. But it is for work after all. I've often wondered about using it underground but wasn't sure if it would survive Peak District sediments.


I've used ID's underground in a cave rescue context for building z rigs etc. When they work they are fantastic however they do seem very susceptible to mud so, as a rigger, I always like to have a plan B up my sleeve.

That said a mate of mine uses an ID as a descender and swears by it.
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Posted: 13/01/2016 19:32:38
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Marra wrote:

I tried an Anthron a few years ago but I failed to descend due my meagre weight. Returned to supplier (ebay)


Not that I remember bouncing on the rope down Moel Fferna in an effort to get the bloody thing moving. I still have it, but it's safe(r) for noobies to practice on.

On a clean rope however, it's lovely.

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Posted: 13/01/2016 19:41:02
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NewStuff wrote:


On a clean rope however, it's lovely.


Unfortunately many mine explorers and especially clubs favour hard wearing 11mm rope that is often not over clean and gets quite stiff.
Can be quite entertaining for the lighter members of the group! More than once I have seen someone with a death grip on a Stop, bouncing on the rope, with language their mothers would not like.
The rack sailed down!
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Posted: 13/01/2016 20:13:11
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Bad workmen always blame their tools
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Posted: 14/01/2016 11:06:23
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Stop for knitting and fiddling.

Rack for everything else.

If you're getting a sore hand, you are using your stop in rack territory!

That Australian thing looks like a load of crap.
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Posted: 14/01/2016 11:24:06
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He has as they say "a way with words"
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Posted: 14/01/2016 12:37:15
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Tamarmole wrote:

Marra wrote:

I tried an Anthron a few years ago but I failed to descend due my meagre weight. Returned to supplier (ebay)


Anthron descenders are absolutely diabolical, wouldn't touch one with a barge pole.


Interesting about Anthrons - a friend of mine has one and on a descent the other day he was in danger of suspension trauma on a not huge pitch - clean dry rope.
He was moving better on the previous pitch but the rope there was, at the top at least, covered in what seemed to my rack to be Teflon loaded slime - 5 bars and the hyperbar needed!

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Posted: 14/01/2016 13:03:03
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gNick wrote:

Tamarmole wrote:

Marra wrote:

I tried an Anthron a few years ago but I failed to descend due my meagre weight. Returned to supplier (ebay)


Anthron descenders are absolutely diabolical, wouldn't touch one with a barge pole.


Interesting about Anthrons - a friend of mine has one and on a descent the other day he was in danger of suspension trauma on a not huge pitch - clean dry rope.
He was moving better on the previous pitch but the rope there was, at the top at least, covered in what seemed to my rack to be Teflon loaded slime - 5 bars and the hyperbar needed!


A mate of mine using an Anthron had a bit of an issue on a very gritty in situ rope - he simply couldn't move.
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Posted: 14/01/2016 13:46:02
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That's not the one hanging down a pitch from a higher level. The one like a round file? I think I took about 2mm off my first 3 bars doing that pitch. IP: 81.140.40.222
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Posted: 14/01/2016 14:29:59
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The Fresh Prince of Portreath wrote:

That's not the one hanging down a pitch from a higher level. The one like a round file? I think I took about 2mm off my first 3 bars doing that pitch.


Yup - also trashed the aly bars on my Kong micro rack - hence the fact that I now use stainless.
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Posted: 14/01/2016 15:03:38
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11mm rope, embedded with quartz grains!
Good stuff isn't it. Cursing
(Club ropes I have used!)
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Posted: 14/01/2016 17:54:44
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There's also the "issue" with an Anthron, especially for someone used to a Stop, that there is a narrow sweet spot for descending between the 2 "stop" positions. Once you find it, it will glide down clean 10.5mm. There's a good chance that Stop users don't have the handle where it needs to be, since they are (or should be) used to squeezing the handle all the way in.


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