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Posted: 14/12/2014 13:49:05
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Dickie Bird,

Thanks for the upload of the photos, the early ones are from before I was born and the others are before I started exploring.

Having visited alot of the sites in the area myself, I am amazed to see how both things have changed in some ways whilst also others still look the same.

I never knew the engine house at Old End was around till the 80's - it looked in a reasonable state; shame it went



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Posted: 14/12/2014 14:54:42
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Very useful photo of the Long Rake winding engine and boiler.
As it happens PDMHS will be moving this winder to Matlock Bath, hopefully before Christmas.
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Posted: 14/12/2014 21:22:00
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Fantastic set of pictures, thank you for taking the time to upload and share them.
Just one query about the single sheave headframe shown in the Long Rake album. Was this actually classed as Middleton Mine? I worked with a chap called Alf Jose who was manager there in (I think) the 1960s, when he returned from Konongo Gold Mines in Ghana. Must have been a bit of a shock, after a colonial lifestyle with servants to the 'wrong end' of Long Rake in a chill winter's wind.
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Posted: 14/12/2014 21:33:03
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I was going to post a thank you for this, he was also kind enough to provide some archive photographs of Cwmystwyth for use of CMT, they are on our website.

His photographs are of a standard very rarely achieved by others, and his books "Britains old Metal Mines" and "Yesterdays Golcondas" are now collectors items.

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Posted: 14/12/2014 21:38:25
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Thanks for kind remarks. Will upload other stuff from when I was "nowt but a lad" when I get round to it. The Old End Engine house was of mainly gritstone construction but it's shaft at the time had started to swallow bits of it! Looking at the area on Google Earth there is not a trace of the place!

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Posted: 14/12/2014 22:10:47
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royfellows wrote:

IHis photographs are of a standard very rarely achieved by others, and his books "Britains old Metal Mines" and "Yesterdays Golcondas" are now collectors items.


And on that reccommendation, I've just collected them. Smile
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Posted: 14/12/2014 22:12:57
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Very little trace of any mining around the Old End Mine area, just flat fields. The only thing I saw in 2012 on a walk there was a dodgy covered shaft not far from Old End Great Shaft on Church Rake. http://www.aditnow.co.uk/album/Church-Rake-Coe-Shaft-Lead-Mine-User-Album/



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Posted: 14/12/2014 22:16:41
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Agreed B.Eng, I think that is Middleton (Arbour Low Mine) too, not Long Rake Mine.
They are both on the Long Rake Vein but separate mines.
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Posted: 14/12/2014 22:44:35
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Middleton Mine it is! Just used the generic term Long Rake, as it's such a long continuous deposit! For the record, there is a short but interesting couple of paragraphs on a visit to the mine (and Mill Close too) in S.P.B.Mais's book "This Unknown Island" which was first published in 1933. He notes that the 'spar' here 'is used for all L.C.C. school playgrounds' - "if you cut yourself on it,it heals again,clean". He describes going underground with the then mine owner, a Captain Potter, and "... there seemed to be lead everywhere. There was a hole above me and a ladder was produced and we climbed into other galleries going off in all directions. I scrambled up another slope to a working face and listened to Jim getting more and more ecstatic over the lead which he kept dislodging with his fingers. At least I suppose he was ecstatic; I couldn't hear anything except the deafening drills..." and so on.

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Posted: 15/12/2014 09:01:48
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Thanks for uploading these vintage shots and I look forward to seeing some more. I'm glad Fidler's Shaft at Hubberdale has been recapped since the photo was taken, and was the shaft on White Rake the one to the west of Wardlow?

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Posted: 15/12/2014 10:10:11
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Location of shaft is to the east of Wardlow at SK18818 74815

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Posted: 15/12/2014 12:27:23
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Ah, not the one I thought then. Sounds like it's in the area where a stope opened up under a tractor a few years back!

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Posted: 15/12/2014 14:38:57
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Also loving these images Dickie Bird, what type of camera are you using on them?

Love the Ladder to surface June 1977 shot of Pandora, looking forward to seeing more.
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Posted: 15/12/2014 15:09:33
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Most of the early stuff was shot on a wide angle Rolleiflex, which had a magnificent lens until it suffered a slight scratch whilst underground in Smallcleugh. Although professionally polished out, I felt it was never quite the same again.http://www.aditnow.co.uk/images/emoticons/thumbdown.gif

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Posted: 17/12/2014 16:01:08
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It struck me last night that I hope that folks don't think I am trying to monopolise all this photo upload business, or having some sort of late-in-the-day ego trip. Absolutely not so.
Fact is, some time back, that doyen of mines and mining, Roy Fellows, suggested I should upload some golden oldies onto the site (poor chap did not know what he was letting everyone in for!).
After uploading a few, a few days back, LeeW commented that the early ones were shot before he was even born, which made me sit up think what an old f**t I was and that perhaps there may be a good reason to continue with the task, the subject of which has been of great interest to me since my teens.
I certainly don't claim the images as being anything special (I have seen some wonderful stuff on this site, shot by people with an innate sense of composition and lighting and which makes me regret that this digital technology was not around thirty or fourty years back. But then it was unheard of to be able to carry a telephone - nay, mini computer - around in your pocket then). But in many cases the pictures do capture a time when things were very different on the ground, and underground too. There may be a some individuals of similar vintage to me - I know of at least one - who have fascinating material in their archives but who have never got round to digitising this and sharing it with like minded people, on such and excellent as this. Perhaps it is because it involves quite a bit of time commitment - scanning slides and negatives being a rather tedious business - rather than simply uploading 'ready made' jpegs.

Next April I will reach the three score years and ten anniversary and this has been a bit of a wake up call too, before the Grim Reaper comes a'knocking (he's not been invited!) and my negs and trannies perhaps end up in one of Mr Biffa's containers, if my lads don't want them. I don't know if PDMHS have plans to put, for instance, Harry Parker's images on line - I do hope so - and, in my view, these, being a part of our historical archive should be free to at least view, if at all possible. I don't think history should attract any commercial money making baggage!

Got Spanish, American and Australian mines to think about eventually so be warned!!

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Posted: 17/12/2014 16:29:25
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Dickie Bird wrote:

It struck me last night that I hope that folks don't think I am trying to monopolise all this photo upload business, or having some sort of late-in-the-day ego trip.

Good grief no, they're fascinating! Please keep them coming. Thumbs Up
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Posted: 17/12/2014 16:29:33
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Dickie Bird wrote:

It struck me last night that I hope that folks don't think I am trying to monopolise all this photo upload business, or having some sort of late-in-the-day ego trip. Absolutely not so.


Not at all! The photos are wonderful to see Thumbs Up

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Posted: 17/12/2014 16:38:27
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The more the better, its fantastic to see them.

You are quite welcome to have a 'late-in-the-day ego trip' as I think most of the people who have ever borrowed my copy of Yesterday Golcondas have gone out and bought one.
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Posted: 17/12/2014 16:51:46
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Dickie, I dont suppose that you have any underground of Polberro?

Pretty please

I well remember going in there Easter, 1992 I think, then returning the May holiday, ducking my head and slithering on knees through the low wet section, then straightening up and looking with disbelief at the totall collapse in front of me.
Bits of stuff were still running.
My heart sank.

It was a timbered section with cross braces you had to step over, and it always looked a bit iffy. Something should have been done there, but now its too late anyway.
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Posted: 17/12/2014 16:54:45
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I believe that the more that information and pictures are shared on "public media" the better for everyone.

Unfortunatly there are still some groups and individuals that want to keep things secreted away.

On the other side of the coin, anyone using pictures should abide by "fair use" guidlines and acknowledge the original source (where possible.) Smartass
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