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Posted: 11/12/2014 10:04:47
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This seems to have suffered a bit in the last few years.

Natural decay, or as the pessemist in me suspects, too many people who look with their hands!

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Posted: 11/12/2014 10:15:09
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Well if you will look at things in the future...Smile

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Posted: 11/12/2014 11:54:49
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What about the tub???? When we first dug through the fall & accessed that new flat, that was one of the best examples in Nent - it's been wrecked! IP: 84.92.35.248 Edited: 11/12/2014 11:55:27 by Heb
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Posted: 11/12/2014 13:08:44
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I had seen a photo of the tub you mention. I think it was by Roy Fellows and yes, its now up in the air and in his photo it was sat properly.

The thing is, it's not a particularly easy place to get to, so the ones getting there must have some skill etc... but it must stop short when it come to messing with artifacts?

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Posted: 11/12/2014 13:27:27
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I am wondering if they are messed with. As things deteriorate bits of timber will fall of and the centre of gravity move.

It’s possible that when artefacts are discovered by digging the air flow may exacerbate matters

If you look at the wheelbarrow and its surroundings in the two photos, although they have been taken at slightly different angles one can see that the barrow is in exactly the same position.

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IP: 92.28.47.188 Edited: 11/12/2014 13:29:44 by royfellows
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Posted: 11/12/2014 13:39:34
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Yes, you're quite possibly right Roy. It was the handle being broken in particular that got me thinking. IP: 82.19.131.200 Edited: 11/12/2014 13:40:37 by RJV
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Posted: 11/12/2014 14:25:51
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royfellows wrote:



It’s possible that when artefacts are discovered by digging the air flow may exacerbate matters


No real air flow in the flat with the tub (dead end). It was still in good condition earlier on this year when I photographed it again.

It still moved easily on the rails, wonder if someone has been 'playing'.
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Posted: 11/12/2014 15:11:06
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Does anyone know who put the hand line and rail ladder up? Was that there when you went Heb?

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Posted: 11/12/2014 15:25:36
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I think that circa 2009 there might have been no ladder.

After that I seem to remember thinking that the ladder had made a fairly simple climb up a standard LLC hopper harder cos you couldn't get into the hopper because somebody had stuck a ladder in the way...

Don't remember a handline there at any point. 2011/12 would have been the very last time I would have been up there I think.

*All from a bad memory & to be taken with a pinch of salt.
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Posted: 11/12/2014 16:40:32
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Mr Mike wrote:

Does anyone know who put the hand line and rail ladder up? Was that there when you went Heb?


The ladder was there last time we went, but don't remember a hand line.
Next time I pass by, the ladder will be coming out! Too many areas are being left too easily accessible to every halfwit that goes underground.
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Posted: 11/12/2014 16:43:32
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RJV wrote:

This seems to have suffered a bit in the last few years.

Natural decay, or as the pessemist in me suspects, too many people who look with their hands!

2015


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2010


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blimey have they invented a time machine 2015 LaughTongue

but yeah have to agree that sometimes people need to think before they touch stuff i always think for the next person to see it once the artefacts are broken or more worse taking they are lost for ever
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Posted: 11/12/2014 16:48:28
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I have been exploring the Nenthead mines since 1986 and have noticed a lot of deterioration of artefacts. The wheel barrow up in the north flats in Caplecleugh was intact at one time; this is the one by the air pipes going down a concealed shaft. The bits of it are over on the left now so this has been moved.
Also the truck that sticks out of a level up in the stope cheek. None would mess with that as it’s out of the way.

Here is a photo from my album, drool over the way things were.
Yes, and the newspaper cuttings of the marriage of a Royal Navy Commander in WW1 that were in the stope to the left of the camera, what happened to them.

The truck at the back is now a skeleton tipped forward by the shift in its centre of gravity as the timber has rotted and fallen off.



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Posted: 11/12/2014 17:15:39
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Roy, that's a fantastic picture. I'd never seen anybody's picture of that one before.

If you've any more of that nature that you are prepared to share I'm sure there are plenty here who would be grateful.
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Posted: 11/12/2014 17:29:36
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Yes, I am gradually going through old photgraphs and scanning them for uploading.

I did this years ago but the scanner wasn't up to todays standard, so I am redoing them.

Its amazing actually how some of my old pics turn out. All taken on Kodacolour Gold ASA 400 print film with an Olympus OM1

Look at the Exide battery in the pic, remember those?

The thing is that some places are no longer accesssible, part of western Cwffty- although you could go up to deep adit and abseil down Western Shaft to get there, Polberrow Adit in Cornwall is another that occurs.

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Posted: 11/12/2014 17:54:52
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I wonder if the very act rediscovering some of these artefacts is what starts their demise...

tucked away with no air movement... Seems likely that one way or another we all carry a few spores of various fungii in with us and unwittingly plant them on whatever bit of wood we walk past perhaps

sealed up, with no airflow thetimbers get relatively protected perhaps?

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Posted: 11/12/2014 19:16:46
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Assume this barrow is the one in the flats in Northumberland, on Rampgill vein.
If it is, then when I first discovered it there was a red handkerchief and a pipe.
It just looked as if the guy had finished work for the day and didn't come back the next one.
Which fitted in with what I had found out namely V.M. closed these operations down when the government removed the wartime subsidy.
Not been back since that time, I guess the handkerchief and pipe have long since disappeared.
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Posted: 11/12/2014 19:32:59
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No hanky. As goes without saying unfortunately! IP: 82.19.131.200
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Posted: 11/12/2014 19:38:41
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So, anyway, does anyone know what this is, from the high flat?

Could it be sort sort of clamp as the end has a thread on it and the vee part as the securing end?



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Posted: 11/12/2014 19:50:47
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John Lawson wrote:

Assume this barrow is the one in the flats in Northumberland, on Rampgill vein.


Its the north flats in Caplecleugh John, left at lavatory box, no 9 rise on the riight.
Says so in my posting, but I was going off thread.
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Posted: 12/12/2014 20:17:31
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Just checked up!
The Rampgill barrow was discovered in 2002.
It was written up by Noel in WCMRG review, 28,in the same year.
It mentions the handkerchief and the pipe, on reflection, I thought there was a brush and shovel as well, perhaps Heb remembers.
It is possible that by opening up these areas we are encouraging more microbes etc which will do for the wood- but the clay pipe- no!
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