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Posted: 24/01/2008 16:19:34
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The following has just appeared on the Mining History list:

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Hello List,

Interesting developments at Morwellham Quay.

For more information.

www.morwellhamquay.co.uk

Regards

Lucy


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This appears to be an unofficial site. The official one is:

http://www.morwellham-quay.co.uk/

Perhaps some local yokel will give me the background to this story.




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Posted: 24/01/2008 17:27:30
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rhychydwr1 wrote:


The following has just appeared on the Mining History list:

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Hello List,

Interesting developments at Morwellham Quay.

For more information.


Regards

Lucy


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This appears to be an unofficial site. The official one is:


Perhaps some local yokel will give me the background to this story.




Looks like someone has been upset by someone doesn't it!

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Posted: 25/01/2008 10:19:46
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I don't know anythinfg about this but just to say that In the 1860’s Morwellham Quay was known as “The Greatest Copper Port in Queen Victoria’s Empire!” And that it is part of Cornwall's World Heritage status.

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Posted: 25/01/2008 15:45:35
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carnkie wrote:

I don't know anythinfg about this


Yes, but I think that I do.
There is unfortunately a background of agro in this area which first came to my notice at the NAMO conference.
The official NAMHO 2007 website was sabotaged so that the URL pointed to a porn site. Later 2 of the nicest people who you could wish to know, Robert Waterhouse and Rick Stewart, while out of the country, where reported on the mining history list as being killed in a car crash. You can imagine the consternation that this caused. I understand that this was deliberate.
I dont know any more than this, and I dont know the people behind the 'unofficial' web site, and I am probably sticking my neck out by reporting this, but I, as I am sure many others, view all of this with the utmost dismay.
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Posted: 25/01/2008 22:23:43
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The "alternative" site's web address is registered as follows:

Domain name:
morwellhamquay.co.uk

Registrant:
South West Photography

Registrant type:
UK Partnership

Registrant's address:
**house**
Calstock
**postcode**
GB[/quote/

Oddly, 'South West Photography' has the same registrar for their own domain, which is something called " Schlund + Partner AG" but the namer servers are different (although both are basedin Germany).

Most curious... I would have put money on (a) the 'alternative' site registrant being witheld; and (b) there being no link whatsoever to 'South West Photography'. Seems I would have been wrong on both counts Wink

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Posted: 28/01/2008 11:50:58
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Please be advised that I have just sent the following to this website:

Hello

My name is Roy Fellows and I run the website mineexplorer.com

For the benefit of my site visitors and others, would you please be so kind as to answer the following:



#1 Who exactly are you?

#2 What, if any, interested parties do you represent?

#3 Why is your website anonymous?

#4 Exactly what grievances do you or your partners have against Morwellham Quay or the people associated with it?



There are a lot of people who would like answers to the above and I look forward to your reply.

Roy Fellows


As soon, and of course if, I get a reply I will post on this site as well as my own. If in the meantime I am reported dead on the mining history pages, killed in an RTA or fell out of an airplane etc, advise take with a grain of salt.
RF

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Posted: 28/01/2008 12:24:54
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royfellows wrote:

Please be advised that I have just sent the following to this website:

cut

If in the meantime I am reported dead [cut] or fell out of an airplane [cut] etc,


Take care Roy

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Posted: 28/01/2008 13:52:20
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I have just received a very prompt reply from the person behind this site. I have to take it at its face value, and feel it wrong to jump to any conclusions with regard to associating these people with certain past 'incidents'. Notwithstanding this my opinion is that the site is not actually saying much and the "mouse" story at least is rather daft. No doubt all will be revealed in due course.

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#1 Who exactly are you?

The identities of those involved in the project must necessarily remain vague at least until Easter to ensure they are not prevented from fulfilling their individual roles within the project (the mining history communiy is after all a small world in relative terms).

#2 What, if any, interested parties do you represent?

We represent and answer to only ourselves, however we are sure that the information we are to provide will be of great interest to a much wider audience. For obvious reasons there will be large sections of the mining history community who will wish to supress this information (particularly those who work within the industry).

#3 Why is your website anonymous?

For the reasons stated in #1, however the ownershop of the site itself publicly available information.

#4 Exactly what grievances do you or your partners have against Morwellham Quay or the people associated with it?

Our main grievances relate to the way public money is managed, how the public are disinformed, and how some important sites are being destroyed in the name of mining heritage - this goes well beyond Morwellham Quay.

Several members of our group also have specific grievances with The Morwellham and Tamar Valley Trust, Morwellham Quay and a number of associated individuals (this was the motivation for them getting involved in the wider project).

As for me well, no noble cause I'm afraid. I earn my living (metaphorically) kneecapping corporate bad boys. I got involved because I'm related to one of the project members and was asked to assist (without payment I should say).

Lucy Oliver



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Posted: 28/01/2008 15:29:38
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Corporate kneecapper! Sounds like a Greenpeace member on speed. As you so rightly say we will just have to await the big event and in the meantime say a few prayers for the mouse.

I'm assuming they have achieved what they set out to do and grab people's interest.

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Posted: 28/01/2008 15:52:32
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Actually, thinking about it, the "mismanagement" bit may well ring true in as much as how they (morwellham) manged to leave other "morwellhamquay" domains free and up for grabs when all it costs to register with easily is £10 for 2 years totally beats me.
Who are their IT people?

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Posted: 28/01/2008 15:59:14
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royfellows wrote:

Actually, thinking about it, the "mismanagement" bit may well ring true in as much as how they (morwellham) manged to leave other "morwellhamquay" domains free and up for grabs when all it costs to register with easily is £10 for 2 years totally beats me.
Who are their IT people?


Nail on the head Roy Smile

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Posted: 29/01/2008 20:05:31
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Yes, I thought that too.

But as with all sorts of vexatious crap like this the best thing to do is to give them enough rope to hang themselves.

I know the guys at Morwellham well enough to know that they are good people and 100% genuine mine-enthusiasts. Their only disadvantage is that they are not net-savvy - fortunately for them there are others who are.

There are enough clues to put the identity of the person behind in it no doubt at all.
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Posted: 19/03/2008 14:24:29
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I know I'm a bit late to the party, but I can shed just a little light on this rather bizare episode.

A freind working at Morwellham Quay reliably informs me that there are two seperate 'spats' going on that they have caught wind of just recently. Apparently, the first seems to be a purely personal matter and not actually related to Morwellham as such. This involves Robert Waterhouse and relates to alleged incidences of tresspass and theft. I'm not sure what if any outcome there is here.

The other 'spat' seems to relate mainly to allegations that Morwellham Quay has misused what I guess could arguably be called public money. Again, I don't know what outcome if any on these allegations.

As far as the IT dept not keeping hold of the domain names to protect itself, I agree - it would have cost little, but I guess if you are an upstanding, law abiding organisation you don't expect to run into these problems.

The website seems to have gone now anyway and is replaced by the MQ site so perhaps all has been resolved amicably - just how we like it eh?
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Posted: 19/03/2008 19:54:01
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Garcia wrote:



The website seems to have gone now anyway and is replaced by the MQ site so perhaps all has been resolved amicably - just how we like it eh?


Can someone with Internet savvy take a look at this, I am but a mere VBA programmer.
I have visited the site and think it just doesn’t look quite kosher. Or is it my imagination.
Just to refresh its at www.morwellhamquay.co.uk


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Posted: 19/03/2008 20:13:35
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Well the forthcoming events are all backwards and out of date. IP: 88.105.155.23
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Posted: 19/03/2008 20:24:03
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It's a close copy of the content with a few differences.

It's also seriously f**ked up as it is being forced into a frame of the wrong size.
Copied but not copied properly,forced into an existing framework - it seems that this person only knows how to code websites in one way and uses the same template and coding conventions all the time.

But unless it's sanctioned by MQ it's a breach of copyright I suspect at the very least.

The site was completely blank when I looked at it a few weeks ago.

Just ignore it, it's very obvious who is responsible so leave it to the MQ management to take action or not.
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Posted: 19/03/2008 21:04:33
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I think its interesting stuff.
Old chinese proverb "May you live in interesting times"

Anyway, look

easily domain search > morwellhamquay.co.uk The external Whois server is uncontactable, please try again later

So if the domain now belongs to Morwellham Quay, why is not the alternative URL on redirect?

Anyway, you have spotted enough for some cred, I think you have done OK

Simon L, any comment?



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Posted: 19/03/2008 21:11:58
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Hi Roy,
I think you may have made an error in your whois search. The site is still registered to southwest photography.

And the HTML code within the pages has a lot of specific features (frame setup, link structure, JS subroutines, variables etc) that tell me that it was written by the same person as it is identical to all the other websites he has produced.
If he is thinking he is anonymous or that his action is unproveable he is sadly deluded.

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Posted: 19/03/2008 21:18:43
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Many thanks
I did a search using easily.co.uk and result was pasted in, so not my error.
Your comments are very revealing.

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