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Posted: 24/06/2013 22:48:40
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Roy, sorry to hear the news, but thanks in advance for all your efforts. Still expect it to be a great event.

Are the Taylors Level Cwmystwyth trips on Sat and Sun morning additional trips then? If so what numbers can you take and do we have to book these through conference website?


Indeed, all will be well I'm sure. Thumbs Up

Im OK with Taylors level as an alternative, sounds good Flowers
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Posted: 25/06/2013 13:24:51
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Forgot to mention before, Temple Mine is definately ON, permission received in writing, kindness of the Coed Rheidol NNR manager.

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Posted: 25/06/2013 13:32:08
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Roy, what is the length of the SRT pitch in Taylor's? Free hanging or against wall?

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Posted: 25/06/2013 13:42:59
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Roy, what is the length of the SRT pitch in Taylor's? Free hanging or against wall?



Its a steep sloping ore pass. Its been years since I did it for obvious reasons but memory is of 60 feet or less as a steep slope. I was in Taylors the other week and looked down it and THINK I could see the hopper at the bottom.

For the benefit of everyone, its certainly not a swinging in space with rebelays on a hanging wall type thingy, I would say a piece of cake probably suitable for novices.

I will drop it myself on Thurs when I go in to rope it up, just to check everything out. I can put my findings and opinions on a bulletin bourd at NAMHO reception, or talk to me on the campsite.


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Posted: 25/06/2013 13:55:06
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Don't fret, Roy. I'm absolutely 110% sure we're all going to have a great weekend with loads of super trips. Plus the conference, of course, plus the beer and friends! IP: 85.133.68.192
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Posted: 25/06/2013 17:44:20
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Taylors level
Reposted from Graigfawrs previous post Smartass
The ore slide and site of ladderway from Taylor's West Drivage down to Lefel Fawr is a 75 ft pitch. At the base of the pitch is a few hundred yards of Lefel Fawr. Eastwards it ends blind in less than a hundred feet. Westwards it terminates a major collapse after a few hundred feet. Climbing the stopes immediately prior to the collapse showed no way westwards. ACC contemplated but never attempted a dig at this location. However ACC did attempt a dig from the Lefel Fawr end, based on explorations undertaken in 1983 when this route was still partly open and lead to a couple of hundred feet of passageway eastwards. This dig was prosecuted intermittently and in the 1990s broke through to the first chamber only to find that the roof had collapsed. Discouraged, the dig was backfilled. The length of Lefel Fawr below Taylors includes a couple of hundred yards driven on a north branch (seemingly a barren length of the Kingside Lode). Although blind, towards its end is a commodious rise, at least 50 ft high. As this leads into a 'blank' area it is probably blind. Freeman's 26fm level crosscut seemed to be alligned on it so in the 1980s the entrance to this level was reopened but it turned out to be only a few hundred feet long and blind - exactly as shown on the 1852 plan of the mine - and not to connect to the commodious rise as hoped. It thus seems very likely that the commodious rise from the north branch of Lefel Fawr below Taylor's is blind. At one point in Lefel Fawr below Taylor's there is a hole in the floor of the level down which water descends. This drops into a large stope on the Kingside Level, in which the standing water level was a little above the roof of the drivage when it was descended and surveyed. However when Simon Hughes and members of NCMC descended ito this point in the 1970s they found the water level to be a little lower, enabling them to swim a way along the Kingside Level until it turned into a 'nose in a crack in the roof' situation. With the exception of the NCMC swim, all these workings have been surveyed. IP: 87.112.86.147
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Posted: 25/06/2013 18:42:16
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I had forgotton about this posting, thanks.

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Posted: 25/06/2013 18:47:19
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Roy

just seen your new tag line.

The good thing about being a NAMHO conference organiser is that you have a good excuse for not doing it again Wink .

If nothing else it will all be over this time next week.
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Posted: 25/06/2013 19:06:50
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From a practical point of view, can / should we rebook alternatives to the withdrawn trips when we register on Friday?

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Posted: 25/06/2013 19:22:21
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royfellows wrote:

mcrtchly wrote:

Roy, what is the length of the SRT pitch in Taylor's? Free hanging or against wall?



Its a steep sloping ore pass. Its been years since I did it for obvious reasons but memory is of 60 feet or less as a steep slope. I was in Taylors the other week and looked down it and THINK I could see the hopper at the bottom.

For the benefit of everyone, its certainly not a swinging in space with rebelays on a hanging wall type thingy, I would say a piece of cake probably suitable for novices.

I will drop it myself on Thurs when I go in to rope it up, just to check everything out. I can put my findings and opinions on a bulletin bourd at NAMHO reception, or talk to me on the campsite.


75ft pitch or a tad less. Comprises two compartments: a wide ore chute -ore bin on the east and a narrow ladder way (ladders long since removed) with compressed main on the west. The timber lagging dividing the two compartments is largely missing for the top half. The ore bin is about one third full (i.e. the last 25ft or so has rock in it). If you ab down the ore chute you'll land on the broken rock but there will be lagging between you and the ladderway you need to be in to descend further. So you need to descend the ladderway all the way from the top.

When I last did it there were various old rails loose across the top that we belayed off. The pitch is about 70 degres and could be handlined for most of its height -but the top 15ft or so is wide and free-hanging and could not be handlined. The ladderway is a little constricted but unless you're built like a gorilla, it won't be tight or arkward.

Six feet from the bottom (the floor of Lefel Fawr west drivage) is a small rubble-covered wooden platform and a ricketty wooden ladder with the usual iron rungs descending to the floor of the level.

At the bottom of the pitch, eastward there is only ten yards of level, passing beneath some very poor condition timbering holding up a lot of deads in the bottom of a stope that extends all the way up to the floor of Taylor's west drivage. This timbering is very poor and in view of the volume of deads that would descend and trap you in the couple of yards of level beyond, I strongly advise against trying to explore eastwards.

Westwards is the extent of Lefel Fawr that I described in the post pasted above.

Do have a look at the very wide, slightly damp rise on the north branch of the level (i.e. on the Kigside Lode, barren at this horizon, so virtaully no stopes). Its never been climbed and whilst it is almost definately blind, there is a miniscule chance that it might just possibly connect to the workings on the Kingside Lode beneath Jackilas level - comprising about four sub-levels and some stoping according to mid C19 plans, from memory. So if anyone has a battery powered drill and a lot of bolts - this is an intriguing lead that might be just possibly be worth pushing.

When making your way along Taylor's West Drivage on the Comet Lode (the first left hand turn) from the cross-cut to the top of the pitch, shortly after you pass the ventilation engine pulley wheel in the roof just west of the cross-cut, you reach the end of the water and clamber up an easy slope of deads. In this area keep as close as you can to the (north) footwall because there is a hole in the floor into a 60 to 70ft deep stope, almost invisible due to deads having run onto it, at the (south) hanging wall side. I cleared the hole once and abseiled into it to survey the stope, but the deads later ran back and largely re-covered the hole. Its not a hole you want to discover by stepping on to the rather small timbers covering it!

In Taylor's East Drivage on the Comet Lode (the first right hand turn), the air has always been fine as far as the deep water beyond the fall at a small stope. Do please checkthe water level at the (east) far end of the fall and let me know whether there is still air space.

There used to be a shallow trench and a 4 inch plastic pipe throught the fall to keep the water level low enough to maintain an airspace so that atmospheric mixing would occur and the bad air further on in the drivage disapate. There is a full description on another thread of the discovery of the bad air in the 1980s, and of the cautious survey of the passage ten years later (during which time I ensured that an airspace had been maintanined) by which time the bad air was no longer discernable. The water is very deep - fully neck deep - and in view of the risk of the passage having sumped and the bad air having returned, I advise against a visit beyond the fall at present.

Hope these notes are useful!
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Posted: 25/06/2013 20:53:55
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ChrisJC wrote:

From a practical point of view, can / should we rebook alternatives to the withdrawn trips when we register on Friday?

Chris.


Not sure I have made it clear to the organisers that I can take up to 12 on the Taylors and priority should be given to those who were already on Talybont/Henfwlch/Ratgoed.

I think check with reception and rebook but if applies make this clear.

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Just read Roberts. The right hand branch is definately NO ROAD for NAMHO, sorry. I went along it a few weeks ago and felt as though by head was in a vice. I have been in bad air quite a lot, but I dont like this one.

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Posted: 25/06/2013 21:36:35
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Roy - you have mail. IP: 92.26.74.108
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Posted: 25/06/2013 22:06:59
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People, its after 22.00 and I am going to have to sign off.

I dont use a mobile and can only hope to get use of a WiFi at the Uny on my netbook. Failing this I will be out of touch from now until NAMHO reception opens on Friday as I am off in the morning.
Pitches to rig, ladders to install, lots to do.
If anyoned wants me urgent you could try ringing the campsite, phone number is on the website.

See some of you Friday.

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Posted: 26/06/2013 09:55:47
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royfellows wrote:

mcrtchly wrote:


For the benefit of everyone, its certainly not a swinging in space with rebelays on a hanging wall type thingy, I would say a piece of cake probably suitable for novices.



I wonder if this would be suitable for me to have a bash at? I've had all the gear for a number of years but apart from a trip down Water Icicle (which I made rather a hash of) in 2007 a bit of a go on a climbing wall in 2009 and abseiling down through Wrysgan in 2011 I haven't really used it Sad mainly due to leisure time restrictions.

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Posted: 26/06/2013 16:12:35
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People, I have WiFi at the campsite, 240v in my tent off the Skoda inverter, lamp charging for other peoples Oldhams or compatible charging lamps with a 3 bay charger, and off to rig pitches, post signs, and make a general nuisance of myself.

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Posted: 26/06/2013 16:39:23
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royfellows wrote:

RJV wrote:

royfellows wrote:



Beside, Ratgoed only had two people booked on the Saturday and none on the Sunday.



That's bonkers, that's one of the most interesting & enjoyable trips in the mid-Wales/Corris region.


No argument here, but that is what I have been told by the conference organisers.


The loss of Elsie Little who was negotiating Forestry access throughout Wales cannot have helped, Sadly her funeral is on 29th clashes with NAMHO

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Posted: 01/07/2013 17:43:17
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Just back from the conference where a good time was had. Some great underground trips, thanks in particular to Roy.

I don't think I have ever seen so many people underground as at Goginan on the Friday.

The Taylors level trip was good, particularly the trip into the back end of Lefel Fawr.

Frongoch was also a cracker -I had no intention of swimming the stopes however........ by the end of the trip all the Tamar valley ochre had been washed out of my kit!

I even had time for a ride on the Vale of Rheidol.

Great weekend, I am looking forward to next year. Thumbs Up
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Posted: 01/07/2013 21:29:25
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I am still on the campsite for tonight as I have got to go and de rig Ystrad Einion tomorrow. I shall probably find a few more things to do before I go home
Its been a very good NAMHO, but luck has played a great part, we did not get Cwmystwyth until a few weeks ago and had to cancel ex Forestry trips plus lost a leader due to a back injury.
Speaking to the booking organiser the most popular trips by far were Cwmystwyth, its what everyone wanted to do. No incidents have been reported and everyone appears to have had a good time.
I look forward to seeing peoples pictures on the site.
Anyway, all alone on the camp site, I think I go get a Chinese from Aber


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Posted: 02/07/2013 09:21:09
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An excellent weekend. I had a great time!

Many thanks to all those involvd in organising Flowers

A return to Cwmystwyth is definitely in order I think.
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Posted: 02/07/2013 18:18:55
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Thanks to all involved in organising the event. It was a good weekend.

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