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Posted: 07/04/2013 08:22:06
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Got to say the preservation of the lifting frame is essential, as has been said THAT is what makes Cooks the icon it is. IP: 90.221.179.121
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Posted: 07/04/2013 08:29:06
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Knocker wrote:

Got to say the preservation of the lifting frame is essential, as has been said THAT is what makes Cooks the icon it is.


I agree.

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Posted: 07/04/2013 09:28:16
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scooptram wrote:

i was told how much the scaffolding cost think it was in the region of £15000


It's costing more than 10 times that just to put the scaffolding up !

There have been several Internal meetings at which I have been present where the lifting frame was discussed. I for one said that if the frame was removed and not replaced which was one option then you might as well take down the rest or be prepAred for a very vocal backlash. It does look like common sense has prevailed and that the condition of said lifting frame is not as bad as feared.

We have some good images which CormacMan is welcome to see, just call in the office and I'll dig them out for you. Some might even find there way on to here Wink

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Posted: 07/04/2013 11:33:04
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I think the crucial problem with anything of this nature, is that mining pretty much closed down twenty years ago and the people who actually know what it's about, are dwindling fast.

Combe Down really brought home to me, that ten years from now there will be virtually no experienced, working miners left. There are few enough now. When was the last shaft fitted - probably at Selby, in the early 1980s?

The steam railway people have endless controversies about this.


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Posted: 07/04/2013 12:16:58
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derrickman wrote:

I think the crucial problem with anything of this nature, is that mining pretty much closed down twenty years ago and the people who actually know what it's about, are dwindling fast.

Combe Down really brought home to me, that ten years from now there will be virtually no experienced, working miners left. There are few enough now. When was the last shaft fitted - probably at Selby, in the early 1980s?

The steam railway people have endless controversies about this.


Just the way things are going really, even where mining is required now the more they can borrow from civils (and sometimes adapt) the better. most of the old mining techniques were 'bespoke' as was the equipment, its all about getting stuff 'off the shelf', profit driven.
That or its not allowed! (H&S)

Does the Sirius Minerals/York Potash project include plans for a new shaft?
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Posted: 07/04/2013 14:05:17
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Yes it does - A VERY BIG new shaft! IP: 90.221.179.121
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Posted: 07/04/2013 14:08:56
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re somersetminer, above, there I would beg to differ.

I started at CSM in the early 1970s and you would begin Day One by being told that "the object of mining is to make a profit"

There has always been a good deal of overlap between the various heavy engineering disciplines. The driving of the inclines at Gascoigne Wood in the 1980s used TBM techniques no different from then-current civils practices, and several of the Carsington reservoir tunnels were driven using roadheaders.

The NCB used standardised equipment and techniques on a very large scale.

Raise borers were developed as a mining technique and crossed over into civils.

I could go on but you see the point.

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Posted: 07/04/2013 15:20:23
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I have heard from several mining professionals that there is a "hole" in mining staff with a big gap between people qualifying between the mid 80s and the late 00s. Many people are reaching retirement age and that gap is becoming apparent.

I imagine that staff will materialise with demand.

The mining jobs website is absolutely rammed with jobs. Such that it suggests that either demand is up, or there is a shortage, or both. Or it's all agency smoke and mirrors.
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Posted: 07/04/2013 17:31:16
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that's a general comment on heavy engineering disciplines. The miners' strike, various trends in the world markets and the oil price crash of the mid-80s resulted in massive, completely unstructured shedding of personnel and the substantial destruction of training structures.

The result was that a generation of school leavers, graduates and junior staff embarked on other careers and took no part in the subsequent revival. A lot of the older veterans have all sorts of odd-shaped holes in their CVs.

The same comments apply to the oil industry, where it is referred to as "the big crew change". It isn't helped by the "corporate" attitudes which have become entrenched in the interim, especially the plague of HR people Guns and recruiters who don't understand the industry and operate by key word matching and "company man" prejudices.

There is intensive advertising in all heavy engineering sectors but I'm afraid, a lot less jobs. I'm working for BP at present, there have been ten or twelve roles advertised on this project alone but not a single new start, all internally filled. Much of the advertising is a matter of seeking candidates with completely unrealistic combinations of expertise, much of which simply isn't available at all.

Some of it consists of attempts to generate rate-cutting fights, or to get people to take on quite unrealistic levels of risk in terms of out-of-pocket costs. The wind farm sector suffers from this, in particular.

Another common variant is the "candidate visa" category. Agents who plainly don't have a clue, regularly contact me for roles in places like Angola or Kazakhstan where it is effectively impossible to procure visas, for political reasons. As a rule if thumb, if your potential employer can't get you a visa there is little point in you trying to. I simply nod, smile and forget about them.

There is a sub-set of these involving local taxation; I would require an uplift of at least 20% to work in Scandinavia for that reason alone, but there are always people offering work if you are prepared to pay local taxation of up to 55% of gross, or don't understand the rules.

I would only work for BP in Azerbaijan, because of the tax issues. BP pay my local tax and generally speaking, their contractors and subcontractors don't. This makes a significant difference to the actual value of the contract, but there is always someone in an agency ( often with a background in financial recruitment, these days ) Roll Eyes who clearly doesn't understand this, cluttering up my inbox...



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Posted: 07/04/2013 22:10:17
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derrickman wrote:


The same comments apply to the oil industry, where it is referred to as "the big crew change". It isn't helped by the "corporate" attitudes which have become entrenched in the interim, especially the plague of HR people Guns and recruiters who don't understand the industry and operate by key word matching and "company man" prejudices.



oh yes that sounds familiar! been up against that the whole time I've been applying for engineering positions I think, because I dont have a model C.V. (ie. going from A (school,A-levels) to B (university) to C (full time employment with x years dedicated service to one company)), they sometimes look past all the useful experience in varied roles, underground, surface, workshop etc.
cant speak for the oil side but a good example; saw an advert for a Cu-Ni-Fe welder at Falmouth docks before xmas, only welders with Cu-Ni-Fe experience need apply! so never mind being coded and time served welder then! thought they must have had a specific individal in mind for that one, and it was a 'token' job advert, but it reappeared several times..and I've seen it happen with other positions. Unrealistic is what I call it
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Posted: 07/04/2013 22:18:45
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must agree with what you both say looked at a job they wanted a miner ok thats what i do go for that after reading the full spec no miner on earth would get that job the amount of qualfications required !!! you would to have been at c.s.m for 40 years and done all the exams in all subjects. mad

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Posted: 08/04/2013 08:06:53
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The underlying issue, in many cases, is that there is an unstated presumption in favour of either an internal candidate ( who probably doesn't meet the job spec either ) or a local national, in the case of overseas jobs. I do most of my work supporting local nationals who plainly can't fill the roles they have been appointed to, but can't be got rid of.

This produces a situation in which I end up changing jobs at intervals of 6 to 18 months. I've long since ceased to take much interest in the matter, but it is undeniable that many HR departments equate regular job changes with the inability to integrate into a team, and the fact that they themselves habitually demobilise contractors for purely internal reasons unrelated to that individual's performance is disregarded.

Once you have become established as a contractor, you are effectively regarded as unemployable by many companies. The same applies when you are past 45 or certainly, 50.

The welding example sounds like an example of a recruiter who doesn't know the business. I see this regularly. It usually involves asking for established experience in a brand-new or in some cases, obsolete or extinct category. This is why the same jobs can be seen being trailed around a series of previously unknown recruiters who chase after it for a while before losing interest.

This isn't including the advertising of non-existent vacancies either to assess the market, or to provide CVs for inclusion in tenders.



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Posted: 19/04/2013 15:11:10
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Here is the first view of NCK headframe without the top section. I cannot believe I missed the lowering of the top section by about 10 minutes. The crane was going down just as I got there. I hope someone got some good photos of it being moved!

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Posted: 19/04/2013 15:36:08
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Don't panic !

it was all filmed by the mine staff Big Grin

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Posted: 19/04/2013 17:29:01
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seen it swinging from the crane as i went down the A30 looks odd without it!!

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Posted: 19/04/2013 17:33:26
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I just missed it earlier as "Kwik" fit were so remarkably slow in putting new tyres on. Today was a record 2 Hours!!!!

back on topic if the numpties who were in any doubt about whether it should be put back or not - it just looks bizarre without it! Its quite amazing seeing it on the ground next to South Winder house - where the flagpole is actually higher than the winder house!
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Posted: 19/04/2013 22:47:57
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Damn!!!! Missed it, had to be somewhere else... Cursing

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Posted: 20/04/2013 00:07:52
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It behaved beautifully for us!

The 6.5t 12m x 10m x 8m section came off seamlessly with the help of Macsalvors 130t crane and the professionalism portrayed by the site team.

See inside my profile for recent pictures.
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Posted: 21/04/2013 20:06:53
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So there was I driving past towards noon on the 18th and informing the wife that they are probably waiting for the wind to ease down before the top is lifted off, only to find I missed it. Wind or no wind well done Cormacman. (Just remember to put it back!!) Laugh Laugh IP: 2.29.119.105
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Posted: 01/05/2013 01:14:16
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A few pictures here I took last week, which I meant to put up on Friday.



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