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Posted: 27/02/2013 11:33:49
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Good news, as you say.

Also a good description of the site/tunnel in the associated article.

Not clear what level of protection is provided, especially "as all modern concrete and tarmac surfaces are excluded from the scheduling, although the ground beneath them is included" are listed as a specific exclusion Thumb Up
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Posted: 27/02/2013 12:12:37
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Some good news at last, but who is now going to oversee the "monuments" IP: 82.15.14.8
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Posted: 27/02/2013 12:13:27
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That bit basically means you can remove or replace the modern surfaces over the scheduled bits without needing monument consent to do so, but any sort of excavation or work going below the excluded surfaces would need consent, so effectively covering any operations which could potentially damage the tunnels below. If anyone were to do this without the relevant consent, this would be a prosecutable offence under the 1979 Ancient Monuments Act.

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Posted: 27/02/2013 12:35:03
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Question is apart from the two buildings already listed by the gates does this save the remaining buildings? It should I believe as they are part of the wall and perimeter. But regardless this is great news and a major step forwards from the furnace being identified as a lime kiln and deemed as of no significance.

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Posted: 27/02/2013 18:10:22
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I see it mentions the link to Carr Pit (Carr Wood?) but not being part of the scheduling.
But were underground things put in to the canal from the Butterley Park colliery/iron mine site near to the eastern entrance?

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Posted: 28/02/2013 01:10:02
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I have not found any recent reports of a through trip from the Golden Valley end to the Butterley Wharf, are there any?, this would answer your query, similarly, has anyone been in the other end (West) since they put in the A38?
Other things that seem to have been forgotten by the heritage people are the Codnor works and the Pinxton branch, as a sprog I walked every inch of the the towpath from Cromford to Langley Mill, including the Pinxton branch.
The map seems to put the tunnel quite a way from Butterley Reservoir, a feeder for the cut, suggesting a sophisticated water management system?
I recently went on a sentimental journey to try to locate points west of the tunnel and got awfully confused, it made me determined to sort out my pictures of the triple bridge at Lower Hartsay (sp?), Kodak Browny 127, B&W, not found them yet but still looking. Watch this space!.

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Posted: 28/02/2013 08:25:44
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Butterley Tunnel - there are photos of two trips in 1979 and 2006. See:
http://www.cromfordcanal.info/about/butterley.htm

When you've looked at the 1979 pics, there is a link to the more recent ones. The Friends of the Cromford Canal have published a walking guide from Langley Mill to Cromford.
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Posted: 28/02/2013 08:34:02
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Hi there, there have been trips since A38 inc the ones quoted in the report, the entrance is via a path from near what was Geesons scrapyard(Pentrich pit) on west side of A38, as for the GV end its still there tho gated. I did a trip up there long time ago and it's fairly good up to the subsidence blockage, after which you cannot get any further. But we did know that when we went. A through trip is simply not possible. As for other IA sites in this area there is little or no interest from the authorities except over in Notts. Very little left now at Jacksdale apart from the canal stuff which is very much monitored and conserved by the Cromford Canal guys. Pinxton arm is probably coming back. Lots of wharf stuff to be seen still. In Notts the Butterley Railway from Portland wharf to Selston can be walked in parts and there are signs and descriptions on boards re bits still left. However on a drive the other day it seems GV now being developed along bottom of fields resulting in destruction and landscaping of the Butterley Railway there! So if you want a trip around here let me know by Pm and I will oblige, am sure LeeW would come to add further depth.

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Posted: 28/02/2013 12:22:19
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Thanks for the invite, I doubt if I can make the time but I'll certainly bear it in mind. One correction, the triple bridge was at Hammersmith, probably under the bypass now.

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Posted: 28/02/2013 13:04:16
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I have a nice picture of it but you are right it is under the A38, as are the pillars of the Viaduct from Butterley Junction to Ripley Line. There is still a colliery winder house and workshops in the old Geesons yard, how long for I dont know as it looks set for redevelopment! Sad

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Posted: 28/02/2013 13:51:32
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ICLOK wrote:

...... As for other IA sites in this area there is little or no interest from the authorities except over in Notts. Very little left now at Jacksdale apart from the canal stuff which is very much monitored and conserved by the Cromford Canal guys. Pinxton arm is probably coming back. Lots of wharf stuff to be seen still. In Notts the Butterley Railway from Portland wharf to Selston can be walked in parts and there are signs and descriptions on boards re bits still left......


I wonder if Notts know about Portland No1 engine house? remains of the base and other features (mainly stone (mid-late 19C) which the farmer uncleared a while back - wonder if he's got plans to uncover the rest?

An oh yes Ian, I thought they missed out the brake house at Jacksdale?

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Posted: 28/02/2013 17:47:46
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exspelio wrote:

...One correction, the triple bridge was at Hammersmith, probably under the bypass now.


Are you sure? I've seen a picture of a triple bridge on this canal, stated to be at Ambergate, crossing road, river and railway. Or were there two triple bridges?
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Posted: 28/02/2013 18:21:32
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No, the triple bridge I am thinking of was one on top of another, if I recall correctly, bottom was a farm track, above that was the through route for the barge horses, on top of that was the railway, does that sound right Iclok?, i'm an old man and open to correction Blush Blush

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Posted: 28/02/2013 18:22:02
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That would be an open air section .the wooden viaduct where the ambergate gasworks are. Alas long gone.
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Posted: 28/02/2013 18:27:23
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Yes, I remember coming out of the towpath tunnel from the Cromford end and meeting that damn great gasworks, smack in the way of the cut. All hail North sea gas!!. Angry Angry

Progress also dictated the loss of the Bull Bridge aqueduct, a masterpiece of stone engineering.

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Posted: 28/02/2013 21:07:43
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exspelio wrote:

...Progress also dictated the loss of the Bull Bridge aqueduct, a masterpiece of stone engineering.


Ah! I think that's the picture I was referring to.

So the canal crossed the river, railway and road on an aqueduct?
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Posted: 28/02/2013 21:35:56
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I don't think so, it went over the river Derwent (and still does) via the metal aqueduct near Leawood pumping station, then over the railway (Matlock line) a little further down (near Meerbrook?) then they all stay that way (west, river, then railway, east, canal) all the way to Ambergate, where the canal turned east and crossed the Amber valley line (under, I think) near Bull Bridge, it must have gone over the Amber somewhere, but memory fails me.






























































































































































































































































































































































































































































































































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Posted: 28/02/2013 22:41:53
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At Bullbridge, the canal changed sides of the Amber valley on a stone aqueduct. See:
http://www.cromfordcanal.info/archives/bullbutt.htm
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Posted: 28/02/2013 23:08:00
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This is the picture I remember, at Bull Bridge:

http://ukaqueducts.blogspot.co.uk/2009/06/bullbridge-aqueduct.html

There is also a photo if you scroll through. So not exactly a triple bridge, just three crossings very close together.

The photo is also on page 32 of this, which looks very interesting in itself:

http://www.crichparish.co.uk/webpages/manorofcrichbook.html

Google Maps shows river between the canal and the railway. with Bull Bridge Hill crossing the canal near the Canal Inn. There's a clue! Line of canal can be traced in the trees to the south of the A610, heading eastwards.

I think this is all described in the Cromford Canal Society publication referred to in an earlier post. That may be where I saw the picture, but it was a long time ago.
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Posted: 01/03/2013 00:26:59
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The canal jumped the A610 and the railway and River at Sawmills.... known as Bullbridge Aquaduct... now long gone. The Triple bridge referred to was at Hammersmith, the lower bridge was the Butterley Co Rly from Hartshay crossing the Horse path (For Canal towpath horses detached at Tunnel mouth) which in turn was spanned by the MR Ripley to Butterley Line... Pics Below



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