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Author Is large scale tin mining on the verge of a return in Cornwall?
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Posted: 07/02/2013 07:11:44
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-21358389

Link to the full article above re Surfers against Sewage....

What is also of interest is the mention that Dolcoath lost most of its Tin down the red river. Bearing in mind it shut 90 years ago, it would be interesting to know how these deposits move?
I cant imagine they just sit at Godrevy and get covered over, otherwise the beach would have grown by now. But it would be interesting to get a copy of any survey reports showing the tin concentration out from the red river mouth...Which I guess they are determining now.

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Posted: 07/02/2013 07:53:55
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i know tolgus used to take sand from there for the mill

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Posted: 07/02/2013 08:00:07
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I know from student work I did that the banks of the red river and deposits near to the sea have a high alum content as South Crofty used it as a flocculant to keep the water clear(ish). But guess it wasn't a problem for material taken for streaming / reprocessing ?

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Posted: 07/02/2013 10:05:52
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When Pengilly was manager at Crofty about 35/40 years ago, he had the Red River cleared out from Tuckingmill to the sea. Also the leat from Brea Tin to Crofty. In this later operation they were a little too enthusiastic with the digger, destroying the water-proof bottom, so the leat never flowed again.
As for the use of alum, all tin streaming had ceased by then.

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Posted: 07/02/2013 10:16:37
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I remember Pengelly he was manager when I worked there, Ebsworth took over after him.

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Posted: 07/02/2013 10:34:02
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After the strong North wind we've had for a while, there will be plenty of tin for the picking at Perranporth and elsewhere.

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lozz wrote:

I remember Pengelly he was manager when I worked there, Ebsworth took over after him.

Lozz.


I hpoe you never called him Pengelly Shocked He would go nuts if you did! His name is Pengilly

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Posted: 07/02/2013 12:22:39
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spitfire wrote:

lozz wrote:

I remember Pengelly he was manager when I worked there, Ebsworth took over after him.

Lozz.


I hpoe you never called him Pengelly Shocked He would go nuts if you did! His name is Pengilly


Yeah, my attention to detail is crap...we called him Mister Pengilly, I remember one amusing incident, myself and the late Micky Briggs were driving an end on 310 Robo's, the funk was really bad, very difficult to see what was what when drilling, Pengilly and a couple of others happened to pay us a visit and commented on the funk, they reckoned that water from the water line was getting into the air line! So much so that they introduced some flourocine type dye into the water supply and asked us to see if the exhaust air turned green! Needless to say it didn't.
This problem had only started to occur after the main air line up the main crosscut from Robo's was upgraded from 4" to 6" I had a hand in that as a seperate overtime job, anyway turned out to be condensation within the pipe where the pipe line had a bit of a sag in it, we tapped off with a 1" pipe and valve to blow the water out, we blew it out at the start of each shift and that did the trick.

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Posted: 07/02/2013 12:56:49
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that's why air receivers all have a tap on the bottom.... job for the banksman on any tunnel site Wink

Brea Tin, there's a name from the past. The owner there had a father-and-son operation with an office in ( I think ) Cross St, they rented out rooms in houses to CSM students. They were my first landlords in Camborne, at 28 Fore Street ( not called Camborne Hill in those days! We sang the song but where said "hill" was, few knew or much cared )

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Posted: 07/02/2013 13:01:52
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I really hope that SAS have done their homework and really are aware of the nature of the operation being proposed.

I have read the 60's report on the deposit and the means in which they intended to recover it and it's pretty impressive. I don't think the deposit does pose much of a threat. I read somewhere (on the interweb) that an (environmentalist) academic of note had waded in with some "it will be like wheal jane" style comments.

Surfers against Sewage are quite high profile and most certainly hold a large mouthpiece. I am suspicious of their vested interests (ie:- sustaining their rather lucrative pseudo-corporate structure and pay, which I imagine to be lots) and hope that rather than use this as an excuse to whip up hysteria and further their own cause AT THE EXPENSE OF SOUND REASONING.

This is where the St Agnes dredging lot need to come out of the woodwork with a charismatic, dynamic, creative and decisive character to dispel the myths, put the maths into context in a charming and genuine manner and sell the idea to the cowering and wimpering public!

Dredging company, I am available. Laugh

This is pretty serious stuff. SAS are bunch of parasites and run the risk of being luddites/nimbys unless they are prepared to take an educated view on the matter, or consult someone who is not biased and capable of making such a judgement.

The public are pretty ignorant and often are easily whipped up into hysteria by incomplete and faulty arguments as well as hyperbole. I feel that what I have read on the web suggests this may be the case.

This is the first of many of these sorts of cases. Charity/3rd sector parasites furthering their organisation by putting the spanner in the works of the actual generative economy.

Anyway. Moan over. (all my opinion, don't be offended, etc)

IP: 94.196.2.97 Edited: 07/02/2013 13:07:14 by stuey
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Posted: 07/02/2013 13:22:42
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One thing you learn travelling as I do, is the sheer scale of operations of the whole charity/third sector/yuman rights parasite operations.

Read Paul Theroux's "Dark Star Safari" for more on this, Tim Butcher's "Blood River" has more in the same subject.

Me, I don't have any issues; I've long ago made my peace with working for Big Oil and don't need to pretend to anyone that my motives are anything but self-interested. I do what I do for money and I like to live well when I can. How some of these charity, environmental and aid parasites justify it, I don't know.


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My particular vitriol about charities arose when the boxing day tsunami happened.....10ish years ago.

I had just been travelling and was skint for starters and I was bored of eating turkey and watching E.T. It was awful, I saw the adverts on the TV about how people were rotting under piles of rubbish and how £Zillion had been donated and on the NEWS they said "We have all the money and gear here, what we are short of are people who understand water treatment processes and chemistry. I thought "large part of my degree" and I'm qualified to teach other people to make the same calculations....that's probably sufficent.

I got on the phone to Red Cross (the spokesman of whom had just made the TV statement) and thought "I'll go out there for free and do my best". After all it was the most shocking crisis.

I got through to the call centre and eventually was passed on to so and so manager, then patched through to the so and so department and after a few repeats of this, got through to someone important enough. Here I was, an inorganic chemist with the bits of paper ready to go and work for free, to help the most desperately and hopeless people get some sort of a grip on the situation. It was the charitable and human thing to do, FOR FREE.

"We're sorry Mr Stuey, we make a point of only using Red Cross staff, thankyou for your offer, you can donate your £10 if you like".

The romance was totally over. They are not about primarily helping people, they are primarily about their organisation and protocols. I could have had phone references and copies of my certificates to them immediately.

It is high time that (I am not a lefty) that the government put a big fat spanner in the workings of charities to see how efficient they are and how much money they waste on their own gratification.

I still can't believe that, in the following weeks, we have reports of the stench of rotting bodies in the streets and bits of people washed up on the beach and in the meantime they probably could have achieved a lot more by allowing people with decent and charitable spirit to go and actually help. Cursing
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I agree, if an SAS member stumbled across a bunch of gold bars or tin ingots off the coast they or one of their cronies would be there digging up the seabed to get them all out.
As with all this eco stuff we all consume and we all pollute including SAS, we want cars we want mobile phones we want computers etc, there's a price.
SAS and such like organizations love all this stuff, maybe we should take their advice and not disturb the marine environment whatsoever then we can say "actually SAS, we don't need you any more so yer all sacked"
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Posted: 09/02/2013 21:02:45
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I have read the 60's report on the deposit and the means in which they intended to recover it and it's pretty impressive. I don't think the deposit does pose much of a threat.

Hi, I was just wondering if it would be possible if you still have a copy of this report to send it to me? I would like to read it!
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Posted: 10/02/2013 07:56:35
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Whilst I appreciate that there are decisions made by charities that do not make any sort of sense, can we please avoid generalising and knocking all charities.
I have been a fundraiser for over 20 years, and have raised money for many charities from a baby hospice, tackling river blindness, through to the Red Cross. I've seen the difference that some of this work has made to peoples lives.
Yes, the Red Cross can be a slumbering dinosaur at times. I recall a Branch director telling me that it was cheaper to give someone a cheque to buy a new wheelchair, rather than loan them one, because of all the admin and red tape (this was just before I left) but I also remember when we took in some of the refugees after the Bosnian war. They arrived at East Midlands airport, and one young woman walked across the apron with nothing but the clothes she was wearing and her baby. As she approached the terminal, she handed the baby to a Red Cross worker - the only thing in the world that she possessed. It later turned out that she had been held in a concentration camp, raped, and yet, she trusted the red cross symbol enough to hand over the only thing she had. That was a powerful lesson.
So, let's knock the nimbies and luddites but please don't tar all the good work that some charities do with the same brush. Thumbs Up

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Posted: 13/02/2013 20:29:52
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I was looking at some land registry deeds today (not mine) and found an exerpt with the mineral clauses:

(12.12.1988) There are excluded from this registration the mines
and minerals excepted by the Conveyance dated 29 September 1909
referred to in the Charges Register in the following terms and the
land is also subject to the following ancillary powers of working:
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"Excepting and Reserving unto the Vendor his successors in title
and assigns all mines ores metals and metallic minerals china clay
and china stone whatsoever lying and being or which may hereafter
be found discovered or gotten in within or under the lands and
hereditaments hereinbefore described or any part thereof with full
and free liberty power and authority for himself his successors in
title and assigns or his or their grantees lessees agents or
workmen and all persons authorised by him or them from time to
time and at all times hereafter to enter into and upon the said
hereditaments and premises or any part thereof to win work take
get and carry away by underground or surface workings the said
mines ores metals and metallic minerals china clay and china stone
and any mines ores metals and metallic minerals china clay and
china stone in upon or under other lands and hereditaments
belonging to the Vendor his successors in title and assigns with
full power for those purposes or any of them to use take occupy
and enjoy the surface of the said hereditaments and premises or
any part thereof and to withdraw vertical and lateral support from
the surface of the said lands and hereditaments or any part
thereof and from any dwellinghouses buildings erections or works
now erected or hereafter erected thereon Subject nevertheless to
the making by the person or persons so entering and working as
aforesaid compensation to the purchaser his heirs or assigns for
all damage or injury thereby occasioned to the surface of the said
hereditaments or any building or thing thereon such compensation
in case of dispute to be determined by arbitration according to
the provisions of the Arbitration Act 1889 or any subsisting
statutory modification thereof."
3 (12.12.1988) There are excluded from this registration the mines
and minerals excepted by the Conveyance dated 2 October 1928
referred to in the Charges Register in the following terms and the
land is also subject to the following ancillary powers of working:
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"There are excepted and reserved out of the Conveyance hereby
made:-
All mines ores metals and minerals quarries stone slate and clay
under the said hereditaments with full liberty for the Vendors and
their successors in title and assigns to work win get and carry
away the same but by underground workings only and without
entering upon or in any manner affecting or exercising any rights
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A: Property Register continued
or powers whatsoever in or over the surface of the said
hereditaments."
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Off Topic grrr this is about mining not housing IP: 188.29.6.246
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Posted: 15/02/2013 09:49:21
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No mining rights = no mining.

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Posted: 15/02/2013 15:12:36
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Re the defence of charity work by one poster above, I've been working in various Third World countries for many years and from what I can see, for all the money that has been expended on the same old problems, they just get worse, and a lot of the reason is that a substantial part of it is simply diverted into other causes or plain stolen.

Another crucial issue is that, if you don't change the social dynamics of the culture, what actually happens is that improving public health has the effect of stimulating population growth so that the population rapidly expands to the current limit of resources and the whole cycle begins again.

The Horn of Africa region is a classic case of this. Population there has tripled in less than thirty years, over-grazing has completely destroyed the ecology and there now exists a state of ongoing social catastrophe, made worse by the endemic, multi-sided civil wars which are funded in considerable part by stolen aid resources and also Arab adventurism seeking control of the oil resources of the Southern part of the area.

I'm sure the well-meaning soul who put that Bosnian lady and her baby on the plane went home that night with a warm fuzzy feeling, but I bet he or she didn't tot up the cost she has been to our social services ever since.

I'm afraid that I have lost all respect for the aid industry over the years.



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Posted: 15/02/2013 16:40:36
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derrickman wrote:

Re the defence of charity work by one poster above, I've been working in various Third World countries for many years and from what I can see, for all the money that has been expended on the same old problems, they just get worse, and a lot of the reason is that a substantial part of it is simply diverted into other causes or plain stolen.

Another crucial issue is that, if you don't change the social dynamics of the culture, what actually happens is that improving public health has the effect of stimulating population growth so that the population rapidly expands to the current limit of resources and the whole cycle begins again.

The Horn of Africa region is a classic case of this. Population there has tripled in less than thirty years, over-grazing has completely destroyed the ecology and there now exists a state of ongoing social catastrophe, made worse by the endemic, multi-sided civil wars which are funded in considerable part by stolen aid resources and also Arab adventurism seeking control of the oil resources of the Southern part of the area.

I'm sure the well-meaning soul who put that Bosnian lady and her baby on the plane went home that night with a warm fuzzy feeling, but I bet he or she didn't tot up the cost she has been to our social services ever since.

I'm afraid that I have lost all respect for the aid industry over the years.

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