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Mining for Metals in Wales, FJ North 1962
Posted: 09/01/2008 08:51:22
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Roy, thanks very much for uploading that. Those who haven't seen this book will be pleased to see the "nuggets" hidden inside. ( eg It has the only published reference I've come across to the Penrhyn Iron Mine).

I would suspect there are many on this site who have quite interesting libraries and resources. I would upload some myself but am not sure about copyright permissions.

It's a shame really, since I'm not keen to lend books these days after some have disappeared. The problem being in some cases it would cost an arm and a leg to replace them.
(Books should be about what they contain, not what they're "worth").

Any views on how this?
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Posted: 09/01/2008 10:38:57
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As far as copyrite goes, I possibly stick my neck out slightly, but would remove anything I upload is asked by the author or publisher. All of the volumes that I have uploaded are all now out of print, the PDMHS volumes, I personally know the authors, and there is nothing about copywrite in the original volumes that I could see. The NMRS ones carry a "private research and study only" caption which was on the original.
The FJ North book was published in 1962, 46 years ago.
Hell, I can still remember that year well!
I am 63 today, its my birthday!

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Posted: 09/01/2008 10:48:30
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Happy Birthday Roy! Happy Birthday



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Posted: 09/01/2008 10:53:30
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Damn beaten to it!! (Slow typing skills)

Penblwydd Hapus Roy.

Incidentally the talk of documents reminds me I was going to send you something on Nant Iago as discussed at Namho (I need to check with the owners if they would be happy for me to upload it onto the site)
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Posted: 09/01/2008 11:20:41
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Happy Birthday

Happy birthday Roy Smile

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Posted: 09/01/2008 11:22:05
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Roy,Happy Birthday! Thumbs Up
For much the same reason as you, Wyn, I don't lend and rarely borrow books.
Copyright is a difficult one. I am guided by the principle of "to do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
I am further guided by the principle of free and fair use for education, demonstration and research provided I have agreed to the use of my material and it is not assumed. This is usually for photographs rather than the written word.
Looking at some of the wholesale theft of copyrighted material, such as films, music and software, that goes on, I don't see this particular instance as an issue.
The other side of the coin, of course, is that if reproduction permission is sought often enough then the publisher might consider re-publishing!
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Posted: 09/01/2008 11:28:03
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Back on topic, did not Google (?) start scanning books and putting them onto the interweb?

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Posted: 09/01/2008 12:03:42
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I'm quite happy to upload copies of original documents, and old newspapers, old postcards etc. I think bits of out of print books are probably reasonable though I dont think I'd do it myself.

I would definitely draw the line at recent magazines and journals or books still in print though, that's naughty.
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Posted: 09/01/2008 12:43:06
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sparty_lea wrote:

I'm quite happy to upload copies of original documents, and old newspapers, old postcards etc. I think bits of out of print books are probably reasonable though I dont think I'd do it myself.

I would definitely draw the line at recent magazines and journals or books still in print though, that's naughty.


I agree. I think its basically a matter of common sense.

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Posted: 09/01/2008 13:24:24
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Vanoord wrote:

Back on topic, did not Google (?) start scanning books and putting them onto the interweb?


Yes, I came across one on th'net a few weeks back (by accident - wasn't what I was looking for at all!).

Some books are also reproduced in the USA. One example being J I C Boyd's first (1949) book "Rails to Portmadoc". I assume they do others! In fact, I think there were two companies advertising the same book as a repro. The only problem was they stated "the photographs may not be quite up to original standard" and, of course, it was the photographs I was mainly interested. There was also the possibility that his first work was more accurate and more care taken with research than some of his later books! Cursing

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Posted: 09/01/2008 19:48:57
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I have had a copy of this book for a while. Thumbs Up

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Posted: 09/01/2008 20:04:00
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royfellows wrote:

As far as copyrite goes, I possibly stick my neck out slightly, but would remove anything I upload is asked by the author or publisher. All of the volumes that I have uploaded are all now out of print, the PDMHS volumes, I personally know the authors, and there is nothing about copywrite in the original volumes that I could see. The NMRS ones carry a "private research and study only" caption which was on the original.
The FJ North book was published in 1962, 46 years ago.
Hell, I can still remember that year well!
I am 63 today, its my birthday!


Happy Birthday Roy! As far as the old PDMHS stuff goes, the copyright arrangements are a bit odd. There's some sort of strange split whereby the authors still retain copyright although the society has copyright over the printed versions. Having said that, the reason for the gaps in the back catalogue on PDMHS' own website is mainly due to issues with the relevant people finding the time to get round to scanning stuff and uploading it, also there are a few cases where authors have objected to their works being put in the public domain in this way. However, I would hope that no-one within the society would take offence at told articles going online elsewhere - it's not as if there's any money to be made from them beyond selling old back issues (where available) at the mining museum . I for one welcome the chance to get at some of the old stuff without needing to go to the local history library at Matlock. So, whilst I can only speak for myself, I'd say if you've got the time and energy to get some of this material online, go for it! Thumbs Up

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Posted: 09/01/2008 20:45:26
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Slightly off topic, but anyone who has nearly £4,000 burning a hole in their pocket might like this book.

[web link]

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Posted: 09/01/2008 21:01:01
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JohnnearCfon wrote:

Slightly off topic, but anyone who has nearly £4,000 burning a hole in their pocket might like this book.

[web link]


£50 sounds more the mark
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Posted: 09/01/2008 21:30:21
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Happy birthday Roy. I must admit this subject crossed my mind when you uploaded "The Basset Mines" book. Peter Neaverson is dead and last I heard Marilyn Palmer was lecturing at Leicester University but of course you may have cleared it so for once I kept my big mouth shut. As you all probably know the BGS are very hot on copyrite regs. It's quite a rigmalole getting permission. I think being out of print is irrelevant , the 50 years rule still aplies except in certain circumstances. IP: 88.105.164.201
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Posted: 09/01/2008 21:37:09
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So that's where that book of mine went!
Now you know why I don't lend books! Wink
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Posted: 09/01/2008 21:44:24
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You and me both. Smile IP: 88.105.164.201
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